Has Carl Froch's SMW resume surpassed Joe Calzaghe's?

Wait i voted wrong, should've said roughly the same.

I was counting Calzaghe's 175 title.

Froch definitely has the better quality figths in a much shorter period. Depends on if you give Calzaghe credit for his consistency and longevity. And for beating Kessler.

Calzaghe will imo always be a better fighter than Froch, but Froch can catch up to his resume easily with the current landscape.

 

Froch's SMW resume far surpassed Calzaghe at this point and after watching Froch look better and better in each fight over the past two years, I'm starting to think he could beat Calzaghe.

 

poll results are accurate. froch is a badass . he fights anyone

 

He certainly became the greatest SMW and all SMW wins and losses lead back to Joe including Frochs loss to Kessler

 

Not better, but a couple more big wins and he's up there.

Calzaghe beat Kessler, Eubank, Lacy, Hopkins, Jones Jnr.

 

The problem with Calzaghe's resume is that he lost to Robin Reid by 2 points on my scorecard (and by 5 points on one of the official cards).

Robin Reid would be considered an ATG if he hadn't been robbed blind against Sven Ottke and Joe Calzaghe. He hurt both of them, schooling them in several rounds.

A shot, come-backing version of Reid then challenged Carl Froch, but got stopped in the 5th.

 

no

calzaghe didnt lose to kessler

he was undefeated defended the title over 20 times for 9 or 10 years

if froch can get 5 years and 10 defenses then we will talk

 

I cant see how anyone could score that fight for Reid. One judge did score by 5 points to Reid but you dont note that the other 2 scored by 5 for Calzaghe and accept for McCrory who sat on the fence the other studio guests also saw it for Calzaghe by 5 points.
It was a good away win for Calzaghe.
I would love to see how you scored that for Reid, as when watching live at the time rooted for Reid and felt he lost and have watched that fight several times and cant see how anyone could score for Reid

 

An old post but...

So many people rate Wards win over Kessler as something special yet dont rate Calzaghes victory over Eubank. Why?

It was Wards 21st fight, Ward was 25
It was Calzaghes 23rd fight, Calzaghe was 25

Ward won at home
Calzaghe won away

When Ward beat Kessler, Kessler was 42-1-0
When Calzaghe beat Eubank, Eubank was 45-2-2

Kessler was 31
Eubank was 31

Kessler was 8-1 in world title fights
Eubank was 17-2-2 in world title fights

It was just under 3 years since Kessler beat a world rated opponent
It was just under 3 years since Eubank beat a world rated opponent

Kessler had only fought 3 completed rounds in 1 fight in a year before fighting Ward
Eubank had only fought 7 completed rounds in 2 fights in a year before fighting Calzaghe

Kesslers only loss was clear
Eubanks 2 losses - first was very close (debateable) the second was a SD, to the same fighter.

Kessler was favourite to win.
100 years of Boxing News claims Calzaghe was underdog, I have read Calzaghe was underdog but some posters claim he was betting favourite, though.
http://www.talkboxing.co.uk/guides/b..._calzaghe.html
Notes Eubank was a strong favourite, but dont know where the site got its info.

Both Ward and Calzaghe had dominant performances with Calzaghe scoring 2 KDs.

After the loss Kessler beat undefeated WBC champ Froch
After the loss Eubank fought WBO CW champ Thompson and lost a close decision scoring a KD. Eubank fought a return with the bigger Thompson and lost on injury when ahead. Thompson was a CW and the only fighter to have beaten D Haye.

I have read how people on ESB say Eubank was shot so -
How far past prime was Eubank to you then?
Eubank had lost a close decision to Collins, that many thought he won, had a couple of tune ups and rematched Collins to a SD, had a couple of tune ups and lost clearly to underdog Calzaghe. After that loss Eubank went up to CW and challenged world champ Thompson losing a very close decision and then rematched Thompson losing on injury when ahead. Thats Thompson who years later past his best KOd D Haye.
Consider Eubank only had 2 losses to one fighter when he fought Calzaghe, the second by SD to a world champ and was 31 then went on to challenge a big CW flooring him etc, how past his prime do YOU think he was?
Remember Kessler is Wards big win and was the same age as Eubank here and had around the same amount of fights, so is Kessler shot as well, because Kessler has a serious eye problems and was an unwell double vision suffering fighter who has been inactive for a while now due to his injury


Remember when you make silly comments about losses was G Johnson considered past his prime when years ago after losing to Hopkins he went 7-9-2 including the Hopkins loss

So why is one victory so highly rated and not the other??
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Froch lost to Kessler coming off a loss and if you look at Calzaghes victory over Eubank it is just as good if not better than Wards over Kessler

 

Calzaghe's resume

Chris Eubank
Byron Mitchell
Jeff Lacy
Charles Brewer
Richie Woodhall
Mikkel Kessler
Robin Reid


Carl Froch

Jean Pascal
Mikkel Kessler
Arthur Abraham
Glen Johnson
Jermain Taylor


Carl Froch won against Kessler but lost against Dirrel. Right now Carl isn't ahead of Joe but with one more big win on Carl's resume he will surpass him.

 

This

 

By a country mile - there's no contest.

 

You read way too much ****ing boxrec

 

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