Has D Wilder beaten a HW who would...

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  1. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    I wasnt rating Chisora above Wilder, but was rating Chisora as arguably greater than Wilders opposition at the time of him beating them
     
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  2. Rico Spadafora

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    Stiverne was better than Whyte and Chisora at the time Wilder beat him. Easily. Joshua was a 'Gold' medalist in the Olympics. He has fought nothing but stiffs as a pro. Cornish? The guy is a bum. Sprott? Awful. Johnson? Was completely shot at that point and he wasn't any good to begin with. Obviously the Wlad fight can change all this but he has been given the path of least resistance so far with handpicked opposition.
     
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  3. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    If you feel Stiverne who had lost to a fighter who had lost more fights than won was better, I will leave you with that opinion, but I dont agree that Stiverne was better than the current British top 5 fighters.
    As for Joshua being coddled, you make no sense at all for a 17 fight fighter especially when his last 4 fights have been against undefeated HWs and one being a world champ.
    Wilder was also an Olympic medallist which you may have forgotten.
    In 17 fights Joshuas last 5 fights have been undefeated Breazeale 17-0-0, undefeated Martin 23-0-1, undefeated Whyte 16-0-0, undefeated Cornish 21-0-0, Johnson 29-6-1.
    Wilder after 17 fights last 5 fights at that time were 45-15-0 Reed, 6-6-0 Pena, 15-6- Abron, 11-38-0 Sheehan, 17-20-2 Sconiers where I believe at least 4 of those fighters have been at CW at some point. Could be mistaken about that but dont think so.
    I think that shows that the coddling comment you made is unfounded.
    I recall how before Fury fought Wlad, I explained how with who Fury had fought in so few fights about why I favoured Fury, which you dismissed
     
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  4. drenlou

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    Scuba scott!:risas3:
     
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  5. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Who is Wilder facing next?
     
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  6. Staminakills

    Staminakills Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    that's on average exactly what the so called "conquer" Fury did against wlad. think Fury averaged 9 while Wladimir averaged 8.

    but, going off history of this board , Wladimir should had won every round he landed on Fury, because every single shot landed had negative impact on fury.

    I fail to see anything other than 10 pick em rounds (usually even rounds sway towards the Champs) and 2 dominate rounds for Wladimir.

    rounds 11 and 12 (could be rounds 10 and 12, have to check again once I'm ready for bed) but there were 2 total rounds won convincingly and BOTH were Wladimir rounds.

    where's this MYTH of Fury out boxing Wladimir ??? which 2 (ONLY TWO) rounds did Fury clearly win ? that way of don't have to torture myself with 12 more unless rounds
     
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  7. northpaw

    northpaw Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I see at least 4 of Wilder's victims beating at least Chisora. Think
    2 of them would given Whyte hell.
     
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  8. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Fair enough. Would you be more specific with the opponents please
     
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  9. Bad News Brit

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    If you include Hughie he hasn't beaten one who makes it into the top 6.

    I reckon Price would chin Wilder too
     
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  10. Southpawswitch

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    Dustin Nichols basically cleans out the entire British isle.
     
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  11. Mr Icaman

    Mr Icaman 32-0 WBC Champ, Ring + Lineal HW Champ Full Member

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    True I would have to say both Sconiers and Nichols would pretty much shatter all that English Glass.. Plus GOAT Charlie Z would make pretty short work on the above list too..

    You forget how many top quality fighters Windmills has faced because he is always out fighting the best..
     
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  12. northpaw

    northpaw Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think Szpilka, Duhaupas, Stiverne and Molina (maybe not Molina), all beat this version
    of Chisora. At Chisora's "short" peak no, but this version I'd put money
    on it.

    And no I'm not a Wilder fan, I'm fairly critical of him
     
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  13. Bad News Brit

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    Ian Lewison looks like he could fight if he got himself into shape. An in shape Lewison may prove to be a bridge to far for Wilder.
     
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  14. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    You may have a point. H Fury was beating Kassi who Arreola drew with.
    I am not sure about Price. He has the potential to win but I think he looks very cautious now since his defeats.
    In Britain and Europe we tend to move the HWs faster than in America and Price was facing Thompson in his 16th fight. Wilder in that time was facing a 6-6-0 fighter who had fought at SMW. I would guess if Price was matched like that and then after over 30 fights was matched with Stiverne after that experience could be in a similar position to Wilder now.
    We tend to match the UK HWs tough and I think often the fighters have had tough careers before they get to a title and then face fresh opposition. Look at how Chisora being based in Europe fought undefeated Fury, undefeated Helenius, V Klitschko, D Haye and had agreed to face W Klitschko and thats all in under 20 fights
     
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  15. Bensub

    Bensub Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Any well educated boxing fan knows Haye, fury, Aj beat wilder....the rest I would favour wilder to win by k.o.
     
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