Has Donnie Nietes done enough to be mentioned alongside Ricardo Lopez, Chocolatito, Calderon?

Guess what ali has guys with records of 4-4,17-9,15-11, floyd has guys with 12-15,9-9,1-13 and ****ing loma has a 61-3 opponent whose record is litteraly padded. Move on already

 

My point is more the comparison that Ioka is somehow better than broner or his top opponents, which is just not true given how shallow those divisions are.

In terms of atg status, again, amongst their weight class sure fireaway, but outright? Hell no. Which is why I always found it ridiculous that chocolatito was p4p 1.

The guy was fighting guys with record of 29-29 whilst being p4p. That’s a farce to me. I can’t imagine the outrage if any other top p4p fought someone with that record. Heck there’s outrage for Floyd fighting someone like guerrero, a multi-division undefeated champ.

 

Beginning of their careers not at their peak Jesus, apply a little brain

You honestly believe people wouldn’t throw up if Crawford next opponent is 1-11? Or lomas next opponent?

 

Came from geting ko'ed two times before that nothing more than a tuneup. ****er deserves it. Something i can let go too since he won another title 364 days after he was koed

 

Tbh yeah i considered beating ioka RELATIVE to his weight class better than most world champ broner beat(rees,malinaggi,de leon at least when he was old and khabib) and lost(maidana). Reveco,yaegashi and nietes RELATIVE to their weight class are better wins than all world champs that broner beat plus maidana.

 

Pac fought Rios after he got ktfo and got ripped for it. A former LW champ with a pretty impressive record back then, maybe 1 defeat.

This is what I mean, these guys are held to a different lower standard. No other top fighter would be forgiven for fighting such crap.

Records do matter. I box and I have an average record, so it makes me think how good is someone who is 20-1 or 30-0 for example? And then you take it a step farther, how good is someone who is 30-1 who has been beating other guys who are also 30-1?? It’s like a level above those guys. It shows the levels in the game.

When fighters pad their records with guys a record of 29-29 it becomes a big joke.

 

Relative to their weight class I completely agree with.

 

Like i said different weights different standards. When you look at each division look at them with a perspective relative to that division. You don't judge for example the current 115 pd golden age with the heavyweight golden age standard. It just wont work. Might as well compare a gun to a bow.

 

I'm not seeing anybody on Ioka's resume with a record like that after his 4th fight. Crawford was still fighting that level of talent 14-15 fights in. You could argue that the smaller depth of talent at the lower weights means talent rises to the top faster and Ioka got a shot in half the time Crawford did, but their opposition level doesn't look at all dissimilar once they become champs, 7 fights in for Ioka and 20 for Crawford. Their opponents all have similar kinds of records. Ioka has fought former, future, and current champions; so has Crawford. The depth of each of their divisions during their era has been positively abysmal if you are going to be fair about it. Can you believe that Jeff Horn or John Molina were actually contenders or champions? Ioka is pretty legit as far as things go. 4 weight champ 13 title defenses, beat guys like Nietes, Yaegashi, Ruenrong, Reveco.

As for Nietes, I'm only seeing one fight against a tomato can like you're describing once he turned champion, and it's not for a belt. It's a stay busy fight like an exhibition to feed his family since minimum weight champs only make about ten grand a fight. If they were making a million dollars a fight like Crawford I would hold that against them.

You look at Broner's record and he's still fighting guys with that **** record for his first 20 fights. He's fought way more bums than Ioka.

 

Roman Gonzalez didn't fight anybody but elite champion killers once he was p4p#1. He had to run the gauntlet before that to get that designation and fight for the lofty prize of 100,000 dollars. The last guy he fought like that, wasn't for a title, was only for a couple of grand. It was basically just a stay busy fight like Broner's fighting Granados. Meanwhile, that fight is sandwhiched in between Sosa and Yaegashi.

I didn't have any trouble considering Gonzalez p4p#1 since he was the only four weight champ we had, he was undefeated in 45 fights, had a string of champions on his resume, and a 90 percent knockout rate.

As for Guerrero, he was a paper champ, who got his ass beat and badly exposed by Salido. They manufactured his ranking, and they manufactured putting him into the p4p lists just like they did with Broner, because they anticipated he was going to fight Mayweather. Guerrero was always mediocre.

For my part, I wasn't mad that Mayweather was fighting Guerrero. I was mad that he refused to fight Pacquiao. And Bradley and Brook were ranked ahead of Guerrero with more legitimate claims to a fight. Also, there was the problem of the amount. Floyd made 32 million for that cherry pick. For that kind of money you should have to work harder. I don't begrudge Gonzalez picking up ten grand to feed his family when he's also fighting two top champs that year.