Has Floyd Really Slipped or Was Maidana a Cherrypick Gone Wrong???

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  1. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    Thank you.
     
  2. Staminakills

    Staminakills Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    you just answered your own questioning, floyd looked amazing vs canelo, a far superior fighter to chino...
    his slippage looked exageratted vs chino due to his unpredictabilty and awkwardness. he used his advantages over Floyd to a tee, but still came up short.

    comparing a fighter like pac and Floyd slipping is too broad a scope. Floyd relies greatly on reflexes which as you get older your reaction time drops drastically. I use my eye test, pac is much closer to a peak pac then Floyd is to a peak Floyd.

    pac, his only slippage is he can no longer go all out for 3 mins of all 12 rounds. his skills are the same, his stamina is not what it once was.

    Floyd, his reflexes has dropped significantly which hinders his whole game.. when you rely greatly on your reflexes you are playing with fire. we are talking hundredths of seconds which is huge huge slippage. its not just his reflexes physically, its mentally too, he recognizes his opponents actions mentally but then there is another delay, his body has to respond which is where the problem really lies.

    I find it funny how some of you think Floyd is anywhere close to his peak. the last peak Floyd we had seen was in 2006. that was a while ago. jusgt because Floyd is still superior to anyone from 140-154 doesn't mean is anywhere near where he once was.
     
  3. boxing_master

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    pac has declined more then duckweather but will still beat his ass
     
  4. Staminakills

    Staminakills Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    in what area has pac declined so severely ?
    being such a huge fan and the president of the pac cult you should be able to tell me where the decline is ?
     
  5. boxing_master

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    pac declined much more then duckweather but he will still beat him up

    everyone knows a fighter with pacs style has no longevity i am surprised pac is still fighting at this level but duckweather has a style that can last very long he still the same
     
  6. DonnyMo

    DonnyMo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    struggling with a fighter that was shut out by devon alexander, and fought life and death with Joseito and Soto-KarASS means you are no longer close to being "elite"
    FACT

    I believe Khan, pac, thurman, bradley all make pretty easy work of him at this point.
     
  7. Staminakills

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    what style are talking about ? what is pacs style to you, someone with NO clue what so ever ?

    who are all these elite fighters that fought like pac ?

    kid, you don't even know what areas pac has drastically declined, can you answer one question, this is the most basic question. you always talk about pacs "style" having a short shelve life, WHAT style ? are saying pacs "styke" of getting beaten up ? I didn't know getting beaten up was a stykw
     
  8. Zimornsky

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    Pac's been in a million wars, fought some big ass welters over the years, and was brutally KO'd.

    I see Pac's speed has greatly diminished (though he's still Top 5 in hand speed), slower on his feet (though still Top 5 in the game), punch resistance all but gone, workrate and stamina has plummeted.

    Pac has declined far more than Floyd has. Pac is a shell of himself.
     
  9. Barrera

    Barrera Defeated Boxing_master Full Member

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    Floyds defense does rely on his reflex, his style does not depend on them as much as a rjj but its still a big part

    Mayweather is clearly slipping, similar to how pac looked after marg (yeh still beating world level opposition but did not look sharp or fierce as usual)
    His next fightnwill tell us a lot
     
  10. boxing_master

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    :deal
     
  11. persianprince

    persianprince Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Mayweather beat Maidana clear the first time out, i was personally against a rematch. Because Maidana performed out of his skin in the first fight, but must knew that Mayweather simply would just make some adjustments and then outbox Maidana which he did in the rematch.
     
  12. Zimornsky

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    DRAW is the absolute best case for Mayweather in the first fight.
     
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  14. Staminakills

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    million wars that's going a little overboard. pac is much closer to peak pac than Floyd is to peak Floyd.


    the only "wars" I remember pac being in was el terrible 1 and jmm 4. what other "wars" had pac been in ?

    some of you guys will use any and every pathetic excuse, pac RIGHT now is better than the pac that entered the ring against jmm last go around, you ask how and why, because he's using his brain and is cautious which means he isn't just a wild reckless crazy man.

    in the 1st TB fight pac was the one fading and looking for breaks, in the 2nd fight he was coming on in the 2nd half and was pushing the pace..

    their declines are so different its tough but Floyd area of decline has a far greater impact than pacs does. if you cant see that or if you don't understand it you should stop wasting your time with this sport since its obviously far too advanced for you to follow with an understanding of it
     
  15. bigbeatbaby

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    Purely a clash of styles, possibly a cherry pick gone wrong but I would not say fighting anybody with a world title is a cherry pick.