Has Floyd Really Slipped or Was Maidana a Cherrypick Gone Wrong???

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  1. Zimornsky

    Zimornsky King Fluid IV = CHEAT banned

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    WARS

    Morales I

    Marquez I

    Marquez II

    Marquez IV

    Taking flush shots from guys much bigger than him:

    Cotto (dominance doesn't mean a war didn't take place; Pac got a busted ear drum and even said he was hurt by Cotto's shots)

    Margarito (this fight changed him and caused the decline)

    Clottey (see Cotto explanation; Clottey is a HUGE welter w/ pop)

    You're an imbecile if you can't see how wars + vicious KO + age makes Pac a shell of himself.

    You're also an imbecile if you can't see how Floyd's style, cherrypicking, and strategic vacations were all designed to prolong and protect his health.

    Floyd hasn't faded at all. He just underestimated Maidana.

    There was a small window of rejuvenation in the Marquez IV fight - that version dominates and stops Floyd, as does the 2009 version. Those two versions are the versions of Pac that looked like he truly cared about his craft in the ring.
     
  2. elchivito

    elchivito master betty Full Member

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    Both, but mostly I'd say cherry pick gone wrong. Floyd hadn't been in too many wars, while Chino seems to only be getting better.
     
  3. M.3

    M.3 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well if you count getting hurt or hit by bigger guys "wars", then wouldn't Floyd Cotto, Mosley, and Maidana be "wars" for Floyd? Or is it because Pac is a microscopic ww, and if he cut back to 2 meals a day, he could fight at 120?

    I don't get why Pac can't do wrong and had to be better than everyone at everything.. Especially when you're comparing him to Floyd...
     
  4. lewis gassed

    lewis gassed The Bronze Dosser Full Member

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    Neither?
    Floyd won both fights, it was a cherry pick gone right, just in the 1st fight the ref allowed some action and was pretty neutral.
    Floyd fixed that in the 2nd fight and paid off Penny Bayless.
     
  5. Cinderella Man

    Cinderella Man Deleebr 'eem into mahands Full Member

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    Nope, didn't slip one bit. Make no mistake, 38 years old Mayweather is definitely prime Mayweather.

    By the way, do you think he'll duck Khan, or will he cherrypick him, thus ducking everyone else from Featherweight to LHW? :think You seem perfectly impartial and knowledgeable, I'm sure your input on this would be most enlightening.
     
  6. Cinderella Man

    Cinderella Man Deleebr 'eem into mahands Full Member

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    Damn that Kenny Bayless, jumping in whenever one of the dirtiest fighters in the game committed a foul. It's like that jackass thought keeping the fight clean and fair was his job or something. What in the world was that ******* thinking? :patsch
     
  7. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    i don't think maidana got enough credit for this fight.....

    Granite chin (no KDs to my memory, from the face at least)
    Much bigger than floyd
    Was able to impose his physicality on floyd
    Extremely awkward style for his size
    Under rated athletically (solid foodwork, solid speed, very coordinated)
    Floyd fought MAIDANAS fight in the first fight


    I think all of these factors allowed Maidana to be very competitive in the first fight. Had nothing to do with Floyd slipping. Floyd pretty much shut him out of the 2nd fight minus 1 moment where floyd got countered.
     
  8. kirk

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    Of course hes slipping.... the guy is in his late 30's and has a lot of miles on his body.

    Maidana also matched up with him better then anyone thought he would. Which is in part because Floyd is simply not as good as people like to think he is, Maidanas traits as a fighter and the undeniable fact that Floyd is indeed slipping as most late 30 year olds do at some point.
     
  9. Staminakills

    Staminakills Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    sure he did, Floyd always underestimates opponents. the 1st fight he wasn't mentally prepared due to all miss hoe jacksons BS

    you're a complete imbecile if you truly cant see the difference in Floyd and pacs decline..

    \more than half the wars you listed up there are far below many of floyds on one sided fights.

    shoot, morales was half dead in the 2nd fight, never mind fighting him again. dude was collapsing trying to make weight when pas was the BIGGER fighter. their bodies responded different. morales needed to be at 140 at that time. he was NOT just drained he was drained and fighting too low at that particular time..

    morales taking a beating from Raheem was a war, moralres v chino was a war...

    jmm4 might be the best thing that happen to him, being aware of danger in the ring, which makes him much better himself. a much more dangerous fighter..

    and jmm ? he outboxed him as a much smaller man, climbing weight classes to finally catch him. If you like you can have the jmm 2 fight.

    how is his punch resistance gone now ? he was KO'd bad 2 times early in his career by small light hitting nobodies...
    he didnt get pummeled for 10 rounds then get ktfo like hatton, he was caught clean twice
    got up once and went to sleep the next one...

    If you take pac right now, he would have a good shot at ko'ing any version of peak pac.
    its possible he is a better fighter NOW since he isn't as wild and he thinks while in the ring.
    for one thats a huge part of pacult nation......

    it looks like pac lost more than he has to the naked eye, because he isnt just throwing 100+ power shots per round.
    this rookie is by design, pac is trying to be more cautious, cannot afford (literally) another ko/tko loss, well, any
    loss kills him now... pac is just trying to pick his shots more, stop just going all out from bell to bell.
    him and his team realized that strategy was just going to lead to another ko loss,
    again, this is to the naked and really rookie fans eye...
     
  10. lewis gassed

    lewis gassed The Bronze Dosser Full Member

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    He was biased, it was obvious :deal
     
  11. Zimornsky

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    Are you a ree-ree?

    :rofl

    Floyd took 2 shots from Mosley. He took MAYBE 5 flush shots from Canelo. Ortiz and Guerrero, forget it. It's boxing. You get hit in boxing. Hardly wars.

    Maidana I was a war, though.

    I'm just stating facts. You can say that Pac's been in many wars, but you CANNOT say the same about Floyd. Floyd himself as TOLD US numerous times how he's fresh because he doesn't take punishment. I mean, HE TOLD US THIS.

    :patsch