has Froch done more with less talent than Calzaghe could have?

I believe Froch is a winner, he has the intangibles of courage, determination, bravado and brains.

He is not as skilled as Joe C, and yet look what he has accomplished. Joe had the greater talent and still I feel he could've done so much more.

to be honest if Froch beats Hopkins I will have to consider wether he should be rated above Calzaghe?

if only Joe had the balls Froch has.

PS...NO. I DONT GIVE A **** ABOUT THE UNDEFEATED RECORD. LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE NAMES ITS REALLY CRINGEWORTHY AT TIMES.

 

No froch has had more championship level fights than Joe
but that is because of the era he came up in. Joe had only
one rival most of his career at 168 and that was fraudster
sven ottke, and the german wanted NOTHING to do with Joe.
When Joe had the chance to step up and face the real threats
at '68 he made the best of it and remained unbeaten, which is
more than i can say for Froch. also, if Froch beats even a 5 yr
older version of hopkins then we can revisit this. Added with the
fact that Joe beat the same guy that pretty much with nip and tuck
with Carl, but in his prime and that Joe was linear in 2 divisions.
I think this pretty much makes it clear that Carl has a ways to go
before he can be mentioned in the same breath as Joe Calzaghe.
Love 'em or hate 'em those are the facts.

 

In the stark and unforgiving world of cold hard facts...no, Froch hasn't done more than Calzaghe.

Calzgahe: WBO, WBA, WBC, IBF and The Ring Super Middleweight Champion, the Ring Light Heavyweight Champion. 21 successful defenses of his Super Middleweight Title

Froch: IBF, WBA and WBC Super Middleweight Champion. 5 successful title defenses.

I will agree that Calzaghe's lack of ambition held him back and he might have accomplished so much more if he'd been prepared to go the extra mile to make fights, but that doesn't change the fact that he was the Undisputed King of the Division - which Froch has never been - held every relevant title in the division - the only man to date to do so - only lost a title when he gave it up - never defeated and all that - moved up to beat the man considered the King of the Light Heavyweights to gain a title in that division and was even 3rd in the P4P Ranking at one point - however pointless they may be - all of which means that he did more in his career than Froch has done so far - and he was only a year older than Froch is now when he fought Hopkins.

 

Froch needed a gift to beat Dirrell, was well behind going into the the 12th against a faded Jermain Taylor, lost to a slightly past it Kessler, and was schooled by a one armed Ward. Don't get me wrong, Froch is a damn good fighter......but,

Calzaghe never lost a fight over a long career, had 21 defenses, beat the hell out of Lacy, decisively beat a prime, undefeated Kessler, and beat Hopkins. He also won every title at SMW, as well as the ring belt at LHW. Clear edge goes to Calzaghe in my opinion.

 

Froch has faced better opposition, Calzaghe was definitely more talented, and in my opinion Calzaghe would have beaten everybody that Froch beat.

 

Joe had far more trinkets and the undefeated, yet padded record.

Froch has won a level of respect Joe Cal will never receive. He doesn't have the trinkets or "0", but he has traveled the world facing the best competition he possibly could.

 

+ People he didn't beat

 

I think people are missing the point.

The OP isn't asking who achieved more in terms of absolutes.

He is asking the question in respect to their ability.

e.g. If you take a 80 year old man, having never boxed in his life, and then beat the Heavyweight Champion of the World...

And then compare his achievement to a 3 weight champion who has boxed all his life...

Who's achievement would be greater?

By that same respect, Calzaghe has far more talent than Froch.

Now taking Froch's ability into account, and what he achieved with that...

And taking Calzaghe's ability into account, and what Calzaghe achieved...

Who did better?

 

1. Calzaghe would beat Froch 8 times out of ten.

2. Froch has a fer better resume, and people saying otherwise are deluded.

Once Froch retires, it will be common boxing logic that Froch should be rated higher simply based on his resume.

 

I was actually wondering what the OP was asking...??? You could be right though.

 

you seem to understand the question I pose in this thread which has gone completely over their heads. Thanks

 

He hasn't done more, but he has less talent.

No way to know what Zaggie would have done with Froch's talent, or vice-versa.

 

This is kind of a silly notion. It's really hard to compare talent among professional boxers.

Talent I think of as natural ability, so more so physical capabilities, such as height, reach, strength, speed, etc. Those are things you can change, but only so much, and then you tap out. Skill is really the only thing you can't tap out on because there are so many ways techniques, strategies and manuvears to learn to fight. Since professional boxing is so reliant on boxers being in top physical condition, hardly will you find boxers who have such vast differences in physical capabilities. For the most part, among top boxers, the best strategists win. Even when there are physical differences, the best boxers learn how to use their specific attributes to mold their style. Short guys learn to stalk, corner, and get on the inside. Tall guys learn to fight at range. Fast guys learn to be slick and counter.

Froch is hardly disabled in any way so I can't say he lacks talent. I think based on his physical attributes, it would help him stylistically to keep his hands up. Because of his reach he can keep his hands down and outbox guys like Abraham. However, he is kind of slow in comparison to guys like Taylor and Ward, where he got outbox much of the fight. I think if he had his hands up it would have been hard for Ward to place his head on his chest when he was up against the ropes.

 

he lost to Dirrell

 

Calzaghe would have destroyed everyone Froch has ever fought. Like Froch, but Joe is a once in a lifetime fighter.