Has GGG/Canelo been forgotten?

Canelo didn't beat him the first time. He tried to make it look like he had complete ring control and could pick and choose when he fought. He needed to be more active. He also had some noticeable misses.

I agree GGG needs to try hit Canelo in the body more, it will tire him out quicker.

 

^opinion. Wrong at that.

 

GGG/Canelo isn't getting much buzz because HBO is mostly irrelevant to boxing lately. Showtime and ESPN have all the talent and are putting on all of the shows people want to watch.

If you want to promote a show, then you need to regularly advertise it. The only time that boxing gets advertised is when people watch boxing cards or those 24/7 docs. Since HBO is owned by WarnerMedia they should be advertising on CNN, Hulu, Cartoon Network, and CW. Showtime advertises fights on CBS. So called promoters don't actually promote fighters. They get them gigs like managers. The promotion is left to the fighters themselves. Which leaves us with the sorry state of affairs where fighters beef on twitter and instagram. Imagine if the only way Tom Cruise could tell you a new Mission Impossible movie was coming out was to make a post about it on facebook?

 

The first fight shenanigans were enough to put the sour on it for me.

I've just got a bad feeling about this one at the moment, reminds me of Ward Kovalev 2.

Just bad vibes, but we'll see.

 

Canelo did not beat him

 

It's like the five year old kids are out in force, trying to turn the moon into blue cheese by dint of repetition.

 

Big surprise there, you think I'm wrong about Round 4. So why don't you tell us what GGG did in the 4th round to win it? Oh right you don't like talking abot what happened in the rounds, you just like to say GGG won them and say to those who disagree how wrong they are, all without getting into specifics.

 

... Canelo has received literally about 4 dodgy scores against different fighters? Yes.

Sure. I don't deny Canelo is an excellent fighter. But the custom judges push him over the top.

Don't do drugs.

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You're delusional. He beat Trout, he beat Lara (close but clear). There were several close rounds in those fights, not at all dodgy to have judges disagree on close rounds. Judges disagreeing on rounds in big fights with close rounds is not unusual at all. If you think it is, then you obviously haven't been watching boxing too long. Example : A judge had SRL beating Hagler 10 rounds to 2, other judges had it closer. Nothing unusual about it when there are close, hard to score rounds. Judges look for different things, boxing judging is subjective.

Congratulations Team GGG handpicked Dave Moretti for the rematch. He's gonna need all the help he can get, but no amount of handpicking judges is going to save GGG from having to deal with Canelo over 12 rounds. We're going to see what happens and the judges score don't determine what happened in the fight. We as fans can see through the scores and can comment on what happens.

Teddy Atlas is a good example of someone on drugs trying to score a prize fight. Teddy Atlas is as bad as Byrd, complaining about Byrd's 10-2 card while having GGG winning 10-2 himself. The definition of hypocrisy.

 

Strangely enough though, Canelo ALWAYS has judges giving the "dodgy scores" in HIS favour. It's a pattern now. It's obvious.

He beat him last time (pumped with clenbuterol) and he can beat him again.

... which is why 80%+ of fans polled had Golovkin winning.

Unless, of course, y'know, GGG actually did give Canelo a drubbing.

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You're trying to establish a pattern and are failing miserably. Have you ever watched a fight where 8 or 9 rounds are clear, but then there's those 3 or 4 rounds that you aren't sure about. Well when you have close rounds, you typically end up with judges not agreeing in terms of scoring.

Whether Canelo beat Lara 117-111 or 115-113, that's a difference of two rounds. Now if you had Lara winning 115-113, you have a disparity of four rounds. It is not crazy for a fight to have 8 or 9 clear rounds, and 3 or 4 hard to score rounds. If you score those hard to score rounds for one guy or the other, you end up with that kind of disparity. You've come to this conclusion because you're putting Canelo under a microscope and are extremely focused on him to the point of obsession.

Except for the fact that GGG didn't beat him last time, was gifted a draw, and the fact that Canelo wasn't pumped with clenbuterol as he was enrolled in VADA and tested clean before during and after the first fight. If you believe that Canelo was being pumped with clenbuterol for the first fight and got away with it, then how do you explain how that happened. Was VADA just not doing their job?

The polls as it relates to Canelo and GGG are not representative of who won, they are rooted in bias and agendas. We can tell GGG fans participate in polls and are very active in social media. We know this because there have been several polls which had the same percentages / splits of who won Canelo or GGG as the polls about other topics regarding Canelo. When you have the similar percentages splits for a variety of topics involving a fighter, it suggests that it's not a neutral pool of fans.

Now you might say "or it's just that the polls are telling the truth" and really there's no way for either of us to prove our belief, since they are polls. What I've found is that it's far more effective and real to discuss details of the fight rather than polls because polls (especially online polls) inherently have a big unknown in them. I don't think you'd deny that on this forum GGG fans largely outnumber Canelo fans, and I've made it clear that it's not a popularity contest. Polls are essentially making something a popularity contest instead of talking about what happened. You continue to point to polls as the crux of your argument, whereas I've shown a willingness to discuss what actually happened. That's a big difference.

And I could post comments by Sergio Mora about how "Canelo won that fight". Jacobs of course is going to believe that he deserved to beat GGG more than Canelo. What's he gonna say "Canelo did better than me vs GGG" lol?

 

Enthusiast forums like this are not a reflection on wider ppv sales. I wouldn't look to much into ESB talk.

 

Why you still going so damn hard on this Shadow? I thought this was all done? You know damn well what other people think of that last fight and we know damn well what you think of it. You are no troll you fully believe in your arguments and i honestly have big respect for just how well youve broken every tiny detail down from their 1st fight but theres no changing minds now, youve done and said everything you can.

Im not bum hugging here, Shadow you impress me alot in these Canelo GGG threads. But i still dont agree with you, hardly at all.

 

And strangely enough, CANELO always ends up getting the benefit of close rounds, fight after fight after fight ....

^Opinion. Wrong, at that.

... looking like the Hulk and everybody was commenting on how he was in "beast mode"? Don't make me laugh. He was in "Cow Mode" and had timed his cycles right. That's all.

Except for that Canelo is "the A Side" as muppets like yourself keep telling us and he has far more fans than Golovkin. Far more fans ... except for when it comes to polls on who won the fight. THEN, Golovkin has 4x the fans Canelo has? Pull the other one.

Quite right, there are similar results across websites. Because the one thing in common was the fight and GGG won that.

"Variety of topics" - ie "Was Canelo juicing?" Ummmm he FAILED TWO TESTS, I'd say that agreeing that he was juicing is not an unreasonable opinion!

YOU said "We as fans can see through the scores and can comment on what happens." SMH. Changed your mind already?

You havent discussed a damn thing about R4 yet

I bet you could even find a dozen people who thought Canelo won if you canvas his family as well.

 

"muppets like yourself" huh?

muppets like myself but not actually me right?

I know you're not saying that I've stated that he has more fans than Golovkin, because you know I haven't said that. But muppets like me said that, and how would those muppets be like me by the way? Hasn't it sort have been the other way around, that GGG fans have been calling Canelo the A-side and the ones with supposedly all the fans?

There's real-life fans who show up at the arena and then there's boxingforum24 and other similar websites who surely don't represent real-life allegiances. I mean just in terms of sheer numbers, on most of these polls, you could have a random pool of 300 or so online addicts participating in polls, some with alts, vs hundreds of thousands of boxing fans throughout the world who may not frequent boxing forums to go in depth in fights or participate in online polls.