Has Heavyweight Boxing really progressed and is more advance than Past Eras

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  1. Ali4life

    Ali4life Member Full Member

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    NO I don't think so some would think this question should be rhetorical but there are some people who feel that this era of Heavyweights is even decent at that and superior to past eras. Beside Wlad and Vitali dominating(their style is boring but they are more successful than the rest of the crop) who else in the Heavyweights are really showing anything wonderful what advance techniques are they showing that surpasses the Joe Louis's, Muhammad Ali's Jersey Joe's etc, how many even have the stamina to go pass 6 rounds let alone a 12 or 15 rounder. Just because you have access to things does it always mean you will utilize them? Those back then made use of what they had and still did well no they didn't have bowflex or enhancement drugs but they did pretty well with what they had and showed themselves to do all the things that the heavyweights now don't seem to be able to do.
     
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  2. amhlilhaus

    amhlilhaus Well-Known Member Full Member

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    no/thread
     
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  3. gentleman jim

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    I agree. With all the supposedly better supplements and training regimens available today you'd think we'd see better heavyweights tham Louis, Ali, Holmes etc. but we don't. So much is written today about the "new" training methods and how they make one a better fighter but I don't see it. Just look at the training forum on ESB and see all the posters regarding training and it makes my head spin. People write in asking how much they should be deadlifting and how they should fit it into thier boxing training so they can become better. Deadlifting? I don't remember any of the ATG's deadlifting or heavy benching. What's the point? Why carry around extra bulk if you're gassed after 5 or 6 rounds? Maybe more HW's should take a page from the greats before them and see how they got in such great shape...and could go 15 rounds time and again.
     
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  4. Ali4life

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    exactly look at a 38 Year Old Jersey Joe Walcott against Rocky Marciano he showed more Stamina at that age then most of these young heavyweights of today and was pretty fit for his age, Marciano had great conditioning that goes without saying, Jack Johnson was a great defensive heavyweight and even lasted 20 rounds against Jess Willard before being ko'd and that was when he was past his own prime
     
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  5. thistle1

    thistle1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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  6. TAC602

    TAC602 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    1970-96.
     
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  7. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    It goes through peaks and throughs, but yes it has advanced immeasurably since the beginning of the 20th century. Bigger athletes are better. Bigger boxers are better boxers.
     
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  8. Ali4life

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    I disagree with the notion of bigger is better yes its a factor but size can also be a disadvantage depending on the opponent and style you face. Also I think the importance of nutrition has actually regressed over the years why do you think there is a lot of problems in the us like obesity and things. Is there better means to receive nutrition I won't argue that it isn't but are they used how they are suppose to no I don't believe that.Beside the physical means nothing with other things such as techniques such as feints, parrying etc seem to be lost arts as far as the heavyweights. I just don't see it put to use when you see them fighting a lot of them can barely get through 6 rounds never mind 12. And on DudeGuy's comment most of Vitali's opponents outside of a Lennox would be mince meat for some of the greats before
     
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  9. Ali4life

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    not to make this into a new vs old thing just saying as far as Heavyweights I don't see anything special with a lot of them in the 2000s plus I don't see as much hunger in them as it was with those before then take into consideration the politics going on all these multiple belts and greedy promoters that have been around for a long time.
     
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  10. Ali4life

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    lmao
     
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  11. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Bert Cooper > Vitali Quitschko
     
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  12. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    In size but not really in skill.....Manny Steward did a good job making the tall guys use there advantages but Lewis had his fights vs Mercer,Evander,McCall and Rahman and even Marovic where he neither looked skillful or dominant, Wlad has had his less skillful moments and fatigue or panic got the better of him. The thing they have going for them in size for one but condition number 1, add the long amateur career to the 3 and they are special but other than Tyson I am not so impressed with the rest from the 70's on, Ali and Holmes but I do not see them in much of a difference or outside the area of a competitive fight with the dominant champs of the past such as Dempsey,Louis,Marciano and a few others...I do not see Ali or Holmes dominating Tunney and a few others and they were the best from 70 to 80's....The Klitschko's,Lewis were great big men but I do not see any of there opponents being dominant or getting a title in past era's either. Evander has a good shot
     
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  13. BUDW

    BUDW Boxing Addict Full Member

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  14. Ali4life

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    I have a feeling there will be lots of trolling in this Thread lol
     
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  15. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Vitali could have ruled from 1900 to 1929 undefeated.

    For all the cum drunkedness over Dempsey, he looked decidely average, vulnerable and out of control in many of his filmed fights. Imagine, if rather than a diet of middleweights, the sickly and the unskilled he had to fight Pinklon, Carl, Tony, Trevor, Frank, Bonecrusher... Not just one of these for all the marbles but all of them in succession... Guys who Bill Brennan couldn't even earn chump change from for sparring. Just imagine that.
     
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