Has Jermain Taylor Been Tested as Pavlik Was Tested Against Miranda?

They should change his name to kelly "THE BEAST" pavlik cause he's a ****ing beast!
















man we are all going to look like fools when taylor proves this guy to be a hype job.

 

Perfectly stated my man. I'm going Pavlik 10th round ko

 

Being a fighter myself, I can tell you Taylors thinking in the fight with wright. JT was thinking the only way to catch winky out of his guard was to catch him as he was on the offensive. He would immediately attempt to counter wrights shots with his own (sometimes he was successful, sometimes not). JT knew winky didnt have the power to hurt him, so he would just let wright tee off and then attempt to shoot more powerful shots that would look better to the judges. He even went as far as admitting this in the local paper.

I understand his strategy, I dont think it was the correct approach for him to beat winky, but I understand what he was attempting to do.

The key is that JT knew winky couldnt and wouldnt hurt him with his shots so there was no fear in putting that strategy in motion. With Pavlik, you better believe that JT knows he can and will be hurt if he becomes a sitting duck on the ropes waiting to counter. The difference is that Pavlik wont be nearly as hard to hit as winky, therefore JT wont have to attempt these tactics to connect. Thats why so many feel that Pavlik is tailor made for Taylor. Different fighter, different approach.

 

Wait a second, you think Pavlik has been tested more than Taylor...? Not a chance in hell. This isn't even debatable, really.

 

Ok, i see where you are coming from, but no offense, Jermain Taylor is the undisputed middleweight champion of the world and had Manny Stewart is his corner. So, he should be at a level that is beyond you or me or anyone else of his critics. If you look at that fight, Taylors best round and probably Winkys worst round ever was the 4th round when Jermain fought Winky in the middle of the ring and was using his power, throwinng vicious body and head shots, that was the clearest round for Taylor and he should of followed that game plan alll night, instead he kept dropping his hands, which were vulnable to Winkys jab (since winky is a southpaw), thats why Taylors eye was closed at the end of the fight, cause he didnt stick to the game plan, which one would need to beat an elite fighter like Winky.

Jermains gotta realize that hes made it is far on the fact that he has a gifted body and great hand speed for a middleweight, but in order to be elite and compete with other elite fighters you must be very disciplined and demostrate adaptability, instead Winky (being the smart fighter that he is) kept backing Jermain into the ropes and getting the best of him. And in IMO Winky won the fight.

If Taylor is an elite fighter then he must fight his fight, if he really is gonna fight toe to toe with Pavlik then hes not elite cause Pavlik will knock him out. My guess is that Taylor will fight Pavliks fight and will get knocked out.

 

Totally agree with you about JT needing to stick to the game plan. If you check my last post, I mentioned that his personal strategy (not Manny's, cuz he didnt listen to Manny very often) wasnt the most effective to fight winky.

You are correct in you assessment of JT's athleticism, etc... but I disagree with you saying that he has made it on these physical attributes alone. Jermain has tremendous heart and determination. IMO, thats his best asset as a fighter. Dont believe me, check out Taylor/Hopkins I rounds 10 and 11.

With Pavlik, things will be clearer for JT how to win the fight, and it wont be sitting on the ropes. Pavlik is a very good, but basic fighter, there is nothing complicated at all about his style.

 

taylor beat hopkins twice and themn winky. Taylor may not be an all timer, but he is going to hand pavlik his ass in a garbage bag. sorry pavlik nuthuggers.

 

what good is a 500 pound bomb if it lands 3,000 miles away from anything??? Miranda sucks, and would lose badly to four or five guys on Taylors resume. Pavlik is a good fighter, and he has a good shot at winning the fight come sat night, but for anyone to try and suggest that Pavlik has somehow faced something that Taylor hasnt or has proven something more is total bull****. But hey if that is what some of you guys need to do to make yourself feel better about Kelly's shot at winning this fight then so be it.

 

The thread means "in a slugfest" dude. AT least that's how I understand it.

 

Taylor was tested by top level 160-pounders and 154-pounders too and Pavlik was tested for sheer will and capacity of sacrifice, he went bold into the lion's den ( or the Pantera's den) and came out victorious, it's different... Hopkins got Taylor's head gashed and blood bursting out torrentialy through, had Jermain wobbling on the last coupla rounds and Taylor held on to the final bell and to his precious lead... Winky also had Taylor's eye swollen shut by the ninth ( after a first clash of heads between the southpaw and the orthodox fighter like also happened in Wright vs Hopkins to Winky's disadvantage) but it was Winky who avoided the fight in the 12th against Jermain... Taylor has been tested also yes.

 

Taylor was tested just by fighting the competiton he's already faced. Miranda is not in the same league as Hopkins or Wright. Taylor has never been rocked and had to show what kind of heart he has in that area, but maybe at this stage he's good enough to stay away from being rocked. Pavlik was tested because he fights a style that puts him in harms way. He's also not a good defensive fighter. Pavlik is not the fighter that's going to test Taylor. Taylor going to test Pavlik, if taylor takes this challenge seriously.

 

Taylor's undoubtedly faced the better boxers and at the absolute worst has been competitive with them. Pavlik beat a weight drained Miranda. I'm not taking anything away from the guy, but Miranda himself was relatively unproven. Taylor meanwhile has fought two elite MW and one top LMW. No comparison here.

As far as punchers faced, Miranda was a big hitter but he barely landed anything of note in the entire fight. Taylor meanwhile has fought a great counterpuncher in Hopkins who, while not possessing brutal power, was still strong enough and good enough to destroy Tarver, dropping him in the process.

I'm still taking Taylor by decision.

 

Let's seemyou show your face here Sunday morning. Something tells me you will be NO WHERE TO BE FOUND.

Pavlik will dominate, hurt and then STOP Taylor. :hi:

 

BY U SAYING PAVLIK WILL DOMINATE IS LIKE SAYING PAVLIK IS BETTER THAN WINKY AND B-HOP,TALOR WILL LAND AT WILL AGAINST PAVLIK AND PAVLIK WILL BE GASSED BY THE 7TH ROUND FROM TAKING ALOT OF PUNISHMENT ALONG WITH GETTING OUTCLASSED FROM TRYING TO LAND A BIG PUNCH.

MY ADVICE TO US WHO ARE ROOTING FOR TAYLOR,JUST WAIT TILL AFTER THE FIGHT IS OVER AND THEN COME IN HERE AND PICK ON THESE DUMB ASSES WHO THINK THIS GREAT WHITE HYPE WILL WIN,BUT IN THE MEANTIME DONT BOTHER POSTING OR STARTING A THREAD,LET THEM FEEL THE ANXIETY,BECAUSE A TRUE BOXING FAN KNOWS PAVLIK IS GONNA GET OUTCLASSED.

I'M DONE POSTING ABOUT THIS FIGHT.

 

I love how we make excuses for Miranda, that he was weight drained... haha.. truth is he lost to Abraham, was almost KO'd by Eastman, was down against Green, and KO'd by Pavlik.

Maybe it's that Miranda was a hype job who was never as good as everyone wanted him to be.