Looking for a good answer for this one so i'm posting it in here not the General. Both the Pacquiao and John losses were highly debatable to say the least. Not seen either the Norwood or the Duran fights. For someone who has did JMM clearly lose?
I thought John beat him it was close though. I have seen others saying they thought it was JMM fight so its obviously debatable
i think he beat Pac both times but havent saw other fights apart from winning ones will watch them though and report back
I thought Pac clearly beat him in the first fight. Remember Pac won a 10-6 round, and JMM after that simply did not make up enough ground the next 11 rounds to overcome that 10-6 round. In fact, one of the judges did not know you could score a round 10-6 so he scored it 10-7 instead, and this actually cost Manny the difference between a W and a draw! I had Pac winning the rematch by one point, the KD was the difference.
The Norwood fight was unbelievably close. One knockdown a piece in that fight too. THe John fight was a boring yet, yet a obvious case of the hometown fighter getting close rounds, multiple pointless point deductions against Marquez... I still had him winning comfortably. First fight, haven't seen it, but I have heard that the DQ was bogus. Again, it was the fighter hometown I believe.
There is no long analysis needed for this, Radab. Has anybody ever decisively beaten Juan Manuel Marquez? No.
Honestly, do you really want to know, Radab? I have just watched the fight against Fredie Norwood. I am not saying that JMM was beaten out of sight, but he lost!! Woller
i watched the JMM vs John fight heres my scorecard JMM: 1,2,3,5,6,9,10,11 Points off (low blow) 10th and 11th John: 4,7,8,10,11,12 total: 116-114 JMM i think this fight pivots on how you score the 10th and 11th. In a point deduction scenario i score the round then deduct the point no matter how close the round was. Some judges will give it a 10-8 round unless the guy with the point off wins it really cleanly but i dont i gave them even
