Has Joke Calslappy's opponents been nobodies? Or does he just make them look like ..

I defended both boxers. Unlike you. You merely looked at two offical statements and made your conclusions from there. Why? Because you want to see it the why you do, because you don't like Calzaghe. Seemingly you aren't aware that you disliking in someone actually makes you biased against them because you DON'T see it from their PoV - or at least try to. And you have never in any discussion over the last 1½ year done this - at least that I am aware of.

I answered a troll thread, and all I got was a bolded out areas, as he wanted to disagree with it - but all responce I got was a smiley. After that I got serious proof that the guy was not only a troll, but a troll with junior vocabulary. I don't wanna waste my time with someone, when I know it will lead nowhere.

Of course it does. Disliking someone is bias - maybe you should look up the word. Furthermore, when you are disliking someone you don't look at it from their side of the coin.

95% of what goes on here are assessments and not facts. But come on, Lance - you know you have done this; taken a hateful stance towards PBF and let it cloud your judgment.

You have never officially made that stance - why? Because it does not serve your aim - which is to make ie Calzaghe look like an idiot - and make Pavlik look good.

I refused because - that it would lead nowhere. Much like this debate, but at least you talk coherently and not in babytalk.

I hate arrogant people myself. Yes, i can be also, but very rarely really. Amsterdam is aware that he is arrogant, but he is not a ***** - unlike PBF.

Me too. I have no problem with you having a problem with Amsterdam. But you said you weren't biased against anyone, and that you are.

I wouldn't know. Many people have bad days, and say or do stuff they regret. Amsterdam have always been friendly towards me, and I take it from there. Even when we had heated debates Kessler vs Calzaghe.

But you are accusing me of being condencending, and then you yourself resort to this - and that is irony.

Me too, sleep well.

 

Lacy and Kessler were big risks.

The paychecks are greater I believe. Maybe it isn't just paychecks but adding to legacy, and beating future HOF'ers and ATGs is a good way to do that. He has been fighting Kelly Pavliks for all his career.

 

He could have been competitive in those matches though I don't see him being competitive against a prime Jones, not even close and pretty sure he wanted no part of him back then for obvious reasons.

About Calzaghe not traveling I have seen him say it in an interview in his biography "No average Joe" that he believed he was the champion and if others wanted to fight him they should come straight to him. Then Warren was interviewed later repeating the exact same words Calzaghe said about not wanting to travel for no one when he actually was the one who needed to travel if he was interested in making a big name for his self against the top opponents in their primes back then.

You make some good points in your post and I appreciate your honesty and mature reply.

 

He's been fighting Kelly Pavliks his whole career? :shock:

It'd be closer to the truth to say he's been fighting over the hill fighters like Roy Jones his whole career.

 

That could be it. I think he would be competitive, but that is irrelevant. The questions is - did Calzaghe doubt himself?

But you also have to be aware that it is hard for a euro to be recognized in US - enough to get big fights - no matter how many top fighters you have faced in your division. He got no attention till Lacy stepped up. And everyone believed he would kick JCs ass - and why - because Euros get no exposure unless they face US/Mexican people(which is not totally unfair) - despite he beat better fighters than Lacy had. And that is the lay of the land.

Yes, and he was the champ, and it is also a righteous claim for 168. But if you want to fight the best fighters you have to fight those around your weight as well - at least those who are considered better than you.

I think alot of people are quite unfair that in him taking the Hopkins fight. Hopkins was still considered a top 10 p4p boxer(even if I don't agree with it) - however he is still a very good boxer, and that is why Pavlik wants to face him - amongst other things such as legacy, money and recognition.

Lastly, you are welcome, Scar.

 

Omar Sheika was one as such. So was Veit.

Later Lacy and Kessler.

 

Chris Eubank was recognized as the greatest ever SMW until Joe C. and we all know Eubank lost to Joe-he was two years older than Joe-not washed up.

Robin Reid is also a top 5 ATG SMW and Joe beat him.

Hopkins is a top 10 ATG MW we know what happened.

Biko the #5 rating SMW lost to Joe.

The list goes on and on...

 

Pavlik is the undisputed champion at 160. What titles did Sheika and Veit hold when Joe fought them? Lacy and Kessler were Joe's only good wins and the jury is still out on both those guys, like it or not.

 

Oh I was fully supportive of the Hopkins fight, I knew Hopkins had a chance despite his age simply because his style is good enough to take him that far(P4P ranking). It's just the fact that Joe all of a sudden decided to completely ignore what he said before about never traveling and now he's all of a sudden fully PRO that raises some serious questions especially when those guys were in their primes back in the day. There are a handful of opponents that could be mentioned as possible Joe Calzaghe opponents that he could have moved up in weight for back in the day to make possible major fights or just move out of Wales. Doubting his self could be a good enough reason but the way I see it is he wanted the lowest risk possible for the highest prize, that's also doubting his self as you already said.

 

Eubank was 5 and a half years older than Joe...he wasn't washed up but hadn't looked good in a boxing ring for about 4 years - and hadn't looked anywhere near his BEST in a ring for about 7 years. Perfect Calslappy opponent, especially when you consider him being weight-drained too.

Reid is a top 5 ATG super middleweight?? :shock: I disagree, and many people think Calslappy lost that fight.

Hopkins, don't even go there, same with Bika.

 

joe calzaghe has made his mark on this industry, something that will never be erased no matter what the pubescent internet warriors on here may say.
you lot just keep typing your bull**** and let joe grow old in the knowledge that he has enjoyed a career in boxing that all but a select few can only dream of and be aware that he posseses more talent in his toe hair than any of you will get to see in your entire sorry lives.
grow up and learn some respect.

 

They were up and coming fighters. In comparison to what Calzaghe has done since then, I would say it is about the same. Pavlik is still somewhat untested. Taylor haven't been any good in years.

Talentwise Pavlik is not a whole lot better than those.

 

He's a bum, a **** and a coward, and that's how he'll be remembered :yep

 

Taylor hasn't been any good in years? Based on what exactly :huh Oh yeah, cos he lost to Pavlik twice - who Calslappy is blatantly ducking.

 

and you are the worst type of supporter of the club i love. bell end.