Has Josesito Lopez been given enough time (less than 3 months) to...

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  1. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    I'll explain if you really want to in a PM. but it will be a page long and will take me a fews hours + evidence and sources. Ive kind of just thrown it out there without substituing many factors in and providing examples.. too long a process and cba on a forum

    There defintly isn't a specific 3 months rule no...

    specificly when I say equilibrium I mean in terms of the chemicals within the body.
     
  2. Uncle Rico

    Uncle Rico Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yeah, in all likelihood Canelo will just walk through his punches. Not sure how much Josesito can make him respect him (if at all). His best bet is to steal the fight from him through activity and intensity. Sort of like what Khan did with Kotelnik. Something that like that is very achievable against a casual fighter with mild stamina issues.
     
  3. Bazooka

    Bazooka Pimp C Wants 2 Be Me Full Member

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    He also had Kirkland lined up until James got injured K9 was also on the table but i think King didnt want that fight.
    What else is he to do?
     
  4. Cableaddict

    Cableaddict Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree, and I think Lopez has a decent chance. (though I wouldn't bet on him.)

    If he can maintain a very high output, while staying mostly outside and constantly moving, he might out-point Canelo for the first few rounds. This would embarrass the lumbering Gingican, and Canelo might start taking stupid chances. Lopez might catch lightning in a bottle again, or at least he has a decent chance of outpointing Canelo. (Who would be "given" the decision is another matter entirely.)

    Canelo is basically a one-trick fighter: Move slowly forward, try to corner the opponent, then unload with heavy shots. He can be beaten, and the style of fighter that can beat him does not require a lot of size or weight.

    Think Ali vs Buster Mathis, or maybe Holyfiled vs Foreman.

    It can be done.
     
  5. Uncle Rico

    Uncle Rico Loyal Member Full Member

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    Not sure how serious they were with the Kirkland fight, though. He was injured and they were expecting him to take the fight on somewhat late notice.

    But the others were legit, solid matchups. Williams was a high-risk/low-reward type fight. And Ortiz, despite some complaints of him being a WW, is a tough night's work for most 154 pounders due to his size. It's just unfortunate for Canelo for them to fall through.

    But still, I'm pretty sure other more respectable opponents were available than a career LWW.
     
  6. Uncle Rico

    Uncle Rico Loyal Member Full Member

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    Well said. Although I have to ask: are there any good examples of Josesito boxing and moving? I've only seen the Vargas and Ortiz fights of his, and in them he was standing and trading in one, and being the aggressor in the other. He can throw punches in bunches well enough. With decent speed, too. But what are his feet and legs like I wonder?
     
  7. Kid Cubano

    Kid Cubano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I liked the PW fight.After that everything has been a circus. JK has handicapped after the Molina fight, Ortiz a welter coming from a clowny performance. With so many decent jr MW picking josesito is an insult. ( Vanes,Molina,Trout,Lara...even k-9)
     
  8. elchivito

    elchivito master betty Full Member

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    If I was Josesito's trainer I'd tell him "Kid, you got no ****ing chance to win a decision regardless. Canelo wants to spit and **** on your name I want you to knock him his ass out! Your going to get hit anyways your too slow make every punch count! **** boxing! **** that little jog like Margarito! Go pounce on him, cut the ring off, break his ribs, break his nose, don't let him breathe! Go Castillo on his ass!" Josesito going to double up or triple up than what he did vs Ortiz. Canelo is a different beast. Lopez has to cut his wings off, then his arms and legs, and finally his heart. But yea, sadly, at least on paper, Lil Joe isnt supposed to have a chance.
     
  9. Uncle Rico

    Uncle Rico Loyal Member Full Member

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    Bloody hell, Vito. You may as well tell him to charge at an oncoming train while you're at it.
     
  10. bronx

    bronx Boxing Junkie banned

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    i think the timing is fine

    this fight depends on one thing can Josesito take Canelos shots if he can we got a real fight on our hands
     
  11. str1

    str1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    How can you say that even if JL loses, he wins? JL will lose, the thing is the outcome of the fight. Canelo could really hurt JL and "finish" him if the fight is a war ala Ortiz. Two wars back to back and on top of that moving up two divisions?!?! That can damage a fighter.
     
  12. Bazooka

    Bazooka Pimp C Wants 2 Be Me Full Member

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    would have rather scene Molina get a crack before Ortiz, Honestly wish that Cotto would fight canelo soon or even Mayweather, I mean thats a green belt Floyd is supposed to be addicted to them belts.
     
  13. Cableaddict

    Cableaddict Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    OK, how about the quick version here, so all can understand? What chemicals, exactly?

    Lactase? no.
    Neurotransmitters? No.
    I'm racking my brain on this ......

    I'm not trying to fight you on this, but this used to be my filed of expertise, and I have no idea what you're talking about. Perhaps there has been new discoveries since I was in school, it's possible. I'm quite curious, though extremely skeptical.



    Are you talking about the side effects of PED use?
     
  14. Cableaddict

    Cableaddict Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    True with Vargas, but against Ortiz, in the early rounds, Lopez' foot movement was excellent. He was landing combinations then instantly opening up the distance. For some reason, he occasionally moved IN after a successful flurry, which let Ortiz do his "inside" thing and would be death against Canelo.

    With Vargas, I think Lopez wasn't afraid of his power, and so his plan going into the fight was to stand and trade. I sure looked that way. Obviously he's has a VERY different plan for Canelo.

    Realize also that Lopez may not have been in peak aerobic shape against Ortiz, for obvious reasons, so perhaps he was gassing near the end of each round. Against Canelo he will surely be in the shape of his life, so perhaps he can stay outside (& to the side) for the entire fight.

    It will be interesting, to put it mildly. Maybe even FOTY worthy, with some luck.
     
  15. Quincy K

    Quincy K Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    no. and thats why this fight is absolute ****. the ortiz fight was grueling, dlh knows it and is exploiting josesitos name.

    this fight is bull**** and so is dlh for allowing it to happen.

    the typical boxing fan that doesnt know any better will belive that lopez was a game opponent because he borke victors jaw but will fail to recognize that josesito was fighting eight-rounders just a year and a half ago at 140 and will not nearly have enough time to recuperate after three months and move up another weight class.

    ****ing bull****. i hope canelo gets severely cut and has to fight a war in what should be a walk in the park.