Has lightweight surpassed welterweight?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by NickBarker, Jun 12, 2008.


  1. NickBarker

    NickBarker Damnum Absque Injuria Full Member

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    With the nominal departure of Floyd Mayweather, Jr., does the welterweight divison still have its stranglehold on the title of deepest and best in the sport?

    I will maintain that with the retirement of the sport's best pound-for-pound fighter and the expected influx of almost all the top junior lightweights to the lightweight division, that 135 will soon be able to trump the admittedly impressive roster of 147, at least in certain measures.

    Let's take a look at how things will look in the latter half of this year assuming everything goes to plan--that includes Mayweather not returning:

    147-
    Andre Berto
    Kermit Cintron
    Joshua Clottey
    Luis Collazo
    Miguel Cotto
    Zab Judah
    Antonio Margarito
    Shane Mosley
    Carlos Quintana
    Paul Williams

    135-
    Nate Campbell
    Joel Casamayor
    Jose Armando Santa Cruz
    David Diaz
    Juan Diaz
    Julio Diaz
    Joan Guzman
    Michael Katsidis
    Amir Khan
    Juan Manuel Marquez
    Manny Pacquiao
    Anthony Peterson

    While I admit that certain fighters at lightweight are not world beaters, e.g., Julio Diaz, David Diaz, and even Jose Armando Santa Cruz (despite his robbery against the seemingly revitalized Casamayor), I do not think that all of the lower part of the welterweight top ten is stellar either, e.g., Luis Collazo, Kermit Cintron.

    Overall, I believe that with Mayweather gone, the top talent at 135, even if we have to wait and see exactly how they will adjust, is better than at 147. Pacquiao is the best fighter in the world to many; Marquez is thought to have beaten him twice by about as many; Casamayor is a cagy veteran with great skill; Campbell has resurrected his career and took it to Juan Diaz, who himself should still be highly regarded; finally, Guzman is beloved by many who maintain that he would be one of the top pound-for-pound fighters on the planet if he was not ducked so heavily. While Cotto, Mosley, Williams, and Margarito is impressive, I don't believe the 147 roster stacks up against that above list assuming that the men moving up maintain most of their ability.

    I also feel that the prospects are a little better at 135 than 147 with Peterson and Khan against Berto, though one could make a case that Victor Ortiz will probably end up at 147 soon enough.

    Let me know what you all think.
     
  2. the_what

    the_what Bolo Punch KO Full Member

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    Campbell, Casamayor, D. Diaz, and JMMarquez have seen better days.

    What I love about the 147 lb. division is the youth of most of the fighters. All the guys you mentioned with the exception of Mosley could keep on fighting for the next 5-10 years.
     
  3. M.I.G.

    M.I.G. and STILL... Full Member

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    There are a lot of good divisions in the lower weight classes, too. The 122 lb division is especially heavy right now. There's a lot more to it than the greats Izzy and Rafa.
     
  4. Borincano

    Borincano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    147-
    Andre Berto;
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    Kermit Cintron;
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    Joshua Clottey;
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    Luis Collazo;
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    Miguel Cotto;
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    Zab Judah;
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    Antonio Margarito;
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    Shane Mosley;
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    Carlos Quintana;
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    Paul Williams;
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    135-
    Nate Campbell;
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    Joel Casamayor;
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    Jose Armando Santa Cruz;
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    David Diaz;
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    Juan Diaz;
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    Julio Diaz;
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    Joan Guzman;
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    Michael Katsidis;
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    Amir Khan;
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    Juan Manuel Marquez;
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    Manny Pacquiao;
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    Anthony Peterson;
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  5. Sandmanl337

    Sandmanl337 Pactard Full Member

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    Both divisions are clearly the best in boxing right now and we're about to see huge fights from both.. Before Mayweather retired, the division was moving without him and three talented fighters have moved up to 135 to make it all the more interesting.. It's very close, but I'd have to say the lightweight division right now.. While Cotto & Margo are considered the best in the WW division right now, it's pretty damn uncertain who the best is in the lightweight division, which we will find out soon..
     
  6. CJLightweight

    CJLightweight Lightweight Kingpin Full Member

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    how about the 115 division?

    montiel
    mijares
    munoz
    castillo
    donaire(coming up)
    darchinyan
    kirilov
    arce
    gorres
    navarro
    martinez
    banal
    vasquez
     
  7. Ambition_Def

    Ambition_Def **** the people. Full Member

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    147 is it for me. And probably will be for some time to come.
     
  8. Irish Steel

    Irish Steel Active Member Full Member

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    Darchinyan is overrated.
     
  9. Smith

    Smith Monzon-like Full Member

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    potential 115 division for me.
     
  10. jecxbox

    jecxbox St. Brett Full Member

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    lololololollololol



    You win the "Random, Who Cares" post.
     
  11. jecxbox

    jecxbox St. Brett Full Member

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    115 is looking great to be honest. 147 was looking very impressive for a while. A certain fighter had to stink it all up didn't he?
     
  12. batang kanto

    batang kanto ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    damn avatar again. the chick on the right looks like Iya Villana