Has Manny Pacquiao Defense Improved since the Marquez 2 fight?

No one is disputing that. But to give credence to someone stating Floyd will tool Pac statement over someone who says "nah, Pac destroyed DLH when Floyd went SD against also a past prime DLH" is crazy. The latter is reality, the former is guesswork

 

Pac also looked improved after the 1st Morales fight and yet he still couldn't definitively beat JMM.

He indeed looked good against Diaz and DLH but against JMM could be a totally different story.

 

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It does not have anything to do with all that you stated. Rather it was the way Floyd fights. Potshotting against an obviously bigger ODLH allowed Dela Hoya to have his moments to connect sometimes. Floyd is more comfortable trying to tag you with a punch or two and not go for a kill and although he initiates the punches, he is not exactly the aggressor but rather the counterpuncher. Infact, Oscar was the one who was alway moving forward.

I think Mayweather was wary of the perceived power of oscar's left that he was so cautious. He could have performed way better if he initiated the action considering that he is fast and very good defensively. Whereas Pac brought the fight to Oscar with his darting in and out. That did not allow ODLH any breathing room because of the difference in speed. You can never defeat someone you can not catch. "Fly like a butterfly, sting like a bee" is the exact phrase to describe it.

 

Agreed 100% with what you said.
Pac definitely has shown improvement both boxistically and defensively since his first fights with JMM and Morales.........

Pac's defense however is greatly predicated in using his legs to spring away from incoming.
He's done a good job over the last couple of years in knowing when to move in and then out.

The improvement has'nt been as drastic as alot of his fans would like to think......one thing is to implement them against the 2nd tier, and its completely another to implement them against fighters grade A fighters who've been implementing such skills from the very start of their careers.

I've always used the JMM fights as an example because thats the one fighter that fought at the top of his game both times vs Pac, and who Pac met before and after what many call his improvements.

I thought that Pac was a little easier to put hands on in the first JMM match.
He kept driving himself for cover everytime he had initiated with a straight left, and got countered in return......

In the rematch, Pac was'nt so clueless to consistently get driven to the ropes after a JMM counter......but because he was'nt running away from JMM after getting countered.....Pac was either dipping or circling instead of running in a straight line to the ropes.......the only problem for Pac however is that because he was'nt consistently running away from JMM after the counter, Pac was now after his defensive move, in range for JMM to be able to land a punch that had better impact than it would have had, had JMM landed it while Pac was on the move.

.....the point being is that though Pac had improved his his defensive manuevers, these manuevers were leaving himself within range to be hit with greater impact by a fighter that was better as such manuevers than he was.

Pac's newly found defensive manuevers work against fighters that dont perform such manuevers themselves......but I believe they will be a hinderance against good quality fighters that perform such manuevers better.
The new Pac imo is going to get hit consistently more with harder shots fighting in the new way that he does.
Fighters like JMM, Mayweather, Guzman, and even Zab Judah who it looks like will now be fighting at 140 lbs, are fighters that will benefit from Pac's newfound better balance/better defense improvement.

Imo, Pac could never get to the level of boxing/defense, in a couple of years improvement, of what the fighters I've mentioned above have practiced their whole careers.

Pac has been improving what we're talking about since the first Morales fight.......his improvements have visibly manifested itself against much slower fighters like Morales and DLH.......but it takes years and years for these manuevers to master themselves and get to the level of fighters that perform them the best.
In other words, against the fighters I mentioned above who do it better, Pac has to revert to the old Pac to have a better chance to score KO's and not have the fight go to the scorecard.

The old Pac though leaving himself more exposed, also threw his punches with more power and ferocity.....he extended every inch of his body into the punch.

I think Pac has to do that in order to have a realistic chance against a JMM, Mayweather, Guzman type.

 

The left hand is devastating. No matter how skilled they are or how many pounds they bring it'll get you sooner or later.:bbb

 

Not really a devastating punch at all, in terms of power. Just brilliant timed and placed, the two biggest factors in what makes a great puncher. Just another example of what a well-rounded puncher, rather than a one-dimensional slugger, Pacquiao has become.

 

No because he is ASIAN.

 

Since Pac is #1 and Jmm is #2. Pacs' competition after JMM will definitely be against lesser opponents...unless we have a #1.5 P4P'er.

People saying Pac has been fighting lesser opponents since JMM is just crazy. Who do you rank higher than JMM P4P should Pac be fighting?? Calzaghe and Hopkins???

 

I had it 115-112 for Marquez. However, Pacman seems more cautious now, gets his punches off and gets out of there.

I think pride will stop him doing that in a third Marquez fight. Let's hope if JMM beats Diaz and Pacman beats Hatton they can have a 3rd fight at 140. Don't think it'll nessecarily favour Marquez, but he has Pac's number IMO, so it'll be a good fight nonetheless.

I honestly think Marquez will go for the K.O as he'll believe that's the only way he can beat Manny. The judges will always go for Pacman (I think the 2nd fight was a clear but close JMM win, but not a robbery. I genuinely scored their first fight as a Draw.)

 

yep. and that left cross counter that felled jmm in that 2nd fight was only an arm punch. pac didn't have his full weight on it like when he throws his patented left straight.

 

Pac defence improved dramatically agaisnt slow punching opponent. But his best defence is his offense, no boxer can still perfectly execute a good defence when youre in a full attack mode.

 

Put Pacquiao in there with someone who can box, has good handspeed, and good defense and you will see the old, careless Pacquiao. Lunging in while throwing bunches of punches hoping to land.

 

if also helps his defense that pac has his guard up more often now even when throwing punches to try to block any possible counters. pac has also become more patient, deliberate, and less reckless in his offense. he still takes risks but now they are calculated risks.

 

You seem to be affected with what people have to say about Pac.