Has Marquez improved?

This is the wrong question.

Instead, can Marquez be enough of what he was the last time this fight took place? If so, he can decision Pac.

Remember, the major adjustment to Pac's style was made last fight. If he can carry this adjustment into the next fight, he wins.

 

Marquez is not quite the same fighter he was, but he's still an elite fighter. The main difference between now and then is he appears to be more hittable and is willing to brawl inside more. He's adopted a more fan-friendly offensive style so him getting hit more may just be a result of that more than anything else.

Pac has improved every aspect of his game, but their first fight other than Round 1 was clearly in Marquez's favor. Pac was content to have a boxing match with survival mode MAB, and let the fight go the distance. He also looked sluggish against Solis. Basically it appears to me in his last few fights his killer instinct hasn't been there, either due to having trouble with weight, or just that he hasn't had to get up for the fights. If it's not there for JMM, he'll be in trouble.

 

I honestly doesn't think so.

Like I have POSTED in other related threads . . . JMM is trying to be more aggresive lately so he became more hitttable.

That's not an improvement for me.

 

He need not improve..He is a master boxer/counterpuncher...age doesnt affect his kind and his style is all wrong for PAC..
Its PAC that needs to improve and make adjustments

 

I agree. JMM has fought his last several fights seeking KO's.....when you do that, you become more hittable.......

.....obviously to Nacho Beristeins own admission, this was done to bring about more awareness by the fans for JMM.

You can bank that JMM's recent pension to mix it up by throwing thunder in the trenches, will not be in JMM's game plan vs Pacquiao.



Off topic just slightly.....I believe that Freddie Roach made a monumental mistake in sending Pacquiao to box MAB.

In essence, Pac and team showed their cards to the JMM camp by exhibiting what they could do as far as patience and boxing.

Pac most likely would have rolled MAB fighting exactly the way he did in their first match without showing the JMM camp that they could box.

If I'm Freddie Roach, I would have saved Pac's boxing exhibition against MAB and suprised JMM and team with it on March 15th.
JMM could very well have been troubled had Pac tried to suprise JMM with it.

......but now Pac has shown his cards and the JMM team know what they're in for and will adjust their gameplan accordingly.
The JMM camp know that Pac could try either or, when had they not witnessed how Pac fought MAB, the JMM team would have likely geared strictly to fight an aggressive Pac, thus Pac could have surprised them.

What do you think Psycho about my opinion on this matter?

 

Divac if Pac came to box he would have been outboxed badly, you know that.

I think he should fight in his old style, with his new additions, great conditioning, and a killer's mentality. There isn't a chance in hell he outboxes Marquez.

 

I agree......but on the flip side, a fighter gears his training camp to fight a certain fighter a certain way......and when that fighter brings about a whole new scheme that you were'nt counting on him showing, it can throw a wrench to your battle plan.

I certainly think that Pac had a better chance to be at the very least, somewhat successful in boxing by using it as an element of suprise to JMM.

Pac could have used his usual aggressive style and brought in the boxing element when JMM was on and timing his aggressiveness.
.......but now, the JMM totally expects Pac to at least try the boxing route if his aggressiveness is getting counterattacked silly.

There is no element of suprise anymore, and that can only be to the benefit of JMM!

JMM is a master at making in-ring adjustments, imagine him when he already knows all the elements that an opponent brings to the table.

As I've said, the Pac boxing exhibition displayed by Pac vs MAB, can only benefit JMM as he is on to what Pac could try to do against him.

 

I agree with Divac. Pac should have waited to surprise JMM with the boxing style. I dont see it helping him much though. In that fight he was getting beat in quite a few of the exchanges that happened. Its a shame MAB was just there for the paycheck. If he would have risked more he might have actually beat Pac. His heart just wasnt in it anymore, which is something we wont have to worry about with JMM.
I see that as being the main difference in this fight. JMM is hungry and not to mention one of the most skilled fighters in the game today.
Dont let the recent JMM fool you. He wont be so hittable on March 15.

 

Great counter points.

 

Exactly BOTH fighters need to be the agressor that is the key to victory and what made the first fight so good.

Marquez is usually at his very best as a counterpuncher, he is certainly one of the 5 best in boxing today, but the problem with him sitting and waiting for Pac to get off first is that Pac is just fast enough and strong enough to disrupt Marquez's counterpunching into a slightly sloppier technique.

The result was Pac being slightly more effective in those exchanges. This happened very early and in the later rounds of their first fight and Pac won most of those rounds (especially the first of course) based of that aggression.

But the beauty of Marquez is not only is he a supreme counterpuncher, he is a supreme combination puncher even on the front foot. When he was the aggressor and getting his punches off first from about rounds 3-10 he was the one disrupting Pac from throwing that jab and straight left with effectiveness. The result was me giving marquez about 5-6 of those 7 rounds.

This has the makings of another war. I just hope the Marquez of this fight is as good physically as the one 3-4 years ago. If we get that same fighter physically with the mental state he has coming into this fight (more experience, dominant, and confience with some pretty big wins) and Marquez can bite the bullet and stay on the front foot for most of the night I see him winning a 7-5 or 8-4 decision with him possibly being KD once.

I don't see it even being close to the first round of their first fight again, Marquez is too smart of a fighter and he has adapted.

Marquez deserves a win like this, he is the most talented Featherweight I have seen since Salvador Sanchez, his resmue does not do him justice.

 

Been a top fight Pro for a while and very skilled so any physical skill improvenment would be minimal.

However the mental approach, pacing and style the intrinsic values could have improved tremendously.

 

Good points made, but let me just say that JMM should try at all cost to be made the fighter to initiate.
He will do well if he does it sparringly.
I'll add that most of JMM's aggressiveness in his fight with Pac was after he had just countered Pac's foward aggression.

.....when JMM countered, he followed it up with foward, combination aggressiveness.
If JMM gets on the same sync once again, it will be easy pickings for him.

Pac's job will be to disrupt that and have to force JMM to take the lead, but to do that, hell have to shoot out of the gate and get an early sizeable lead.

 

I know you are a boxing fan like me. You claim there will be no more element of surprise!?

You are now a mind reader or fortune teller too?! You are not in PAC's camp everyday. Your only basis is what you saw last fight with Mab. What makes you so SURE that there will be NO MORE suprises?!

Lastly, based on the previous threads you seem to underestimate the power of PAC just because JMM was able to survive round 1.

Just a simple message that you may want to wisper to JMM. Never underestime the power of pac.:bbb