Has Marquez improved?

A very good point.

But take note buddy . . . what Pac did in the MAB fight won't be repeated on the JMM fight. It's more on Roach . . . wanting Pac to practice and exercise patience.

 

They both regressed, especially Marquez.

 

Marquerz is a good guy, I like him.

 

Stop

 

Exactly, I've seen Pac apply some semblance of boxing before in spurts, but not to the extent that he did in the MAB rematch.

Against MAB, Pac never pressed the issue and just let the fight flow as it may.....letting a fighter who was there to survive do just that.

.....that just enters into the mindset of the JMM battle plan, that Pac may elect to either just stand his ground or fight on the backfoot, but not be as aggressive as to seek JMM to attack him.

The JMM camp now know that Pac is capable of being diciplined enough not to fully go on the attack and leaving himself completely exposed to get countered silly as was done for about 9 or 10 rounds of their first matchup.
.......my point is that surely now, that Beristein has seen Pac fight fully diciplined against MAB, he will fully verse and have JMM mentally prepared in case the diciplined route is the route Pac chooses to fight JMM.

Some cards you just dont expose unless you absolutely have too.
I just think that Pac did'nt need to box MAB to beat him, and imo he should'nt have shown that side of him and let the JMM team scout that knowing that a potential fight with JMM was a possiblity.


:think ......or is it that Pac and Freddie Roach never intended to fight JMM next and did'nt care to expose that side of them?:hey :deal :yep

.....but because of the fan pressure for that fight to be made, and Pac getting ridiculed left and right even in his own Pacland website....
.....here they are! :deal :bbb

 

Never pressed the issue?!:huh So it's now pacmans fault for Mab's strategy of trying to survive mode game plan.

Mab's fight was like a smaller version of Ivan CaldeRUN! A boxer who's ultimate skill is to hit then run run run!

Anyway, we are just opposites. There are certain issues we will never agree on. It's a simple as that.

I'm sometimes amazed on how you talk about how limited the skills and ability of pac is. You talk as if you are beside Fredie Roach in pac's training camp. If that's what you think I don't want to argue on that anymore. :good

 

Hey Silvermags....I'm not critiqueing the performance that Pac had against MAB.
In fact, I was one of the few who credited Pac and was impressed by his discipline and ability to box a good (though scared) version of MAB.

......but I will say that Pac never really pressed the issue against MAB when Pac after already having clearly beat him every which way, I felt should have taken more of the initiative.

The important think for Pac is that he got the victory, and I feel that he did so impressively.
.....all I'm saying is that Pac's diciplined performance against MAB, gives JMM the heads up, to look and be ready for Pac to try something similar against them.
The fact that Pac fought MAB impressively diciplined, eliminates the element of suprise that otherwise would have been there had Pac not applied his diciplined side against MAB.

Again I'm not critiqueing the performance by Pac, but as a JMM fan, am glad that the JMM team saw that side of Pac and can gear up and plan for it!
As I said before, Pac showing that side of him against MAB, gives JMM the heads up and thus benefits him!

 

OK. I understand. When you saw the other side of PAC when he fought MAB now you feel we have seen them all and there is no element of surprise anymore correct?! All if Pac has layed down all the cards and there is nothing more to expect.

I hope JMM and his trainer feels the same. So you would not expect the unexpected.

 

he's improved his offense, which then compensated him being hit more often. He knows how strong PAC is and i believe he will be using the same strategy he did in the first fight. Thats the only chance he's got. PAC on the offensive and JMM on defense. This will be bloody and the one with the stronger chin will win this.

 

I believe he has improved in terms of aggression and commitment to punch - he was very aggressive against MAB and showed to have adjusted well to the weight-class against Rocky Juarez. He also developed a very effective left hook out of the combination that somehow kept puncher Juarez at bay without stepping back but the Texan Zen Bomber was seriously affected by that nasty cut from the opening round too. Pac is always in his most dangerous self, mentally, and carries a much heavier, more effective punch - JMM can't possibly fight on even terms against a throttling machine like Pacquiao, he's gonna use his skills and boxing saavy to get that defining career decision...

 

I don't think at JMM age, he can improve. I do agree with some posters above that he is fighting more agressively now and does get hit more often.

That being said JMM is a very smart fighter, and I doubt he would be overly agressive with PAC.

 

Well tell us Silvermags, what else in the arsenal could Pac bring to the table that would create an element of suprise.

We know he can punch, we know he can work at a high workrate, and we know based on the MAB fight that he can be diciplined and box without overly commiting.

What else beside that could Pac bring to suprise JMM?
.....out of the blue become Larry Holmes and become one of the better jabbers in history by utilizing a piston like jab???

....become Pernell Whitaker overnight, and not have JMM be able to find him?:nut

The issue to me with Pac's boxing is whether it can even come close to be good enough to be able to make a difference if he utilized it vs a master technically skilled JMM.
.....from my point of view, Pac trying to beat JMM by utilizing a disciplined boxing strategy would be counter productive, and give him less of a chance to pull out a victory.

When this rematch was announced, Nacho Beristein pointed out some of the things that Pac had improved on, and that he was impressed with some of those improvements.....even going as far as commending Freddie Roach.
.......but Nacho also said with a grin on his face that they would welcome the opportunity of fighting the more diciplined version of Pac as it would make JMM's work, and Pac easier to decipher.

I agree wholeheartedly with Nacho, JMM is unlikey to come foward and run over Pac, and Pac is unlikely to get the better of any type of a technical boxing gameplan.

The bottom line is that there will be no element of suprise by either side.
Both have boxed long enough that each side knows the others tendencies.
Thanks to Pac's display against MAB, the JMM camp now knows that Pac could try to utilize a diciplined battle plan, something that Pac had'nt shown throughout an entire fight before.

 

I respect your point of view. To be honest it makes a lot of sense but there's one thing that we are poles apart! The outcome of the fight.

For me, pac may come out with or without a surprise but bottom line

PAC wins by KO or if JMM is lucky by UD only!

 

:good
Good post :happy :happy :happy
I can't wait to see the fight and divac to have a vacation for good after eating all he say against PAC the bottom line of this is PAC will be the winner :happy :happy :happy
Maybe by TKO/KO :bbb :bbb :bbb

 

No excuses pls....