Has Marquez surpassed Barrera & Morales on the all-time Mexican great list?

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  1. DynamicHispanic

    DynamicHispanic Member Full Member

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    One of the writers at our site has taken a detailed look at whether or not Juan Manuel Marquez has surpassed Barrera and Morales on the all-time Mexican great list. I'm not sure where I'd rank him especially since he has a big fight or two left in the tank. His career is definitely winding down.

    Who ranks highest with the biggest win? I think nothing trumps Morales' defeat of Pacquiao in their first fight. Barrera's win over Hamed may be second. Marquez' greatest achievements are a draw and loss against Pacquiao arguably, and his ability to move up weight and pick up titles, something the other two did as well.

    Has Juan Manuel Marquez surpassed Barrera and Morales?
    By Mike Jones

    Last month a Mexican legend climbed through the ropes for the 58th time to defend his world lightweight title against dangerous contender Michael Katsidis. The fight was brutal, the older man by seven years climbing off the canvas to batter his bewildered foe with precise punches, bringing the referee’s intervention at 2:14 of the ninth round. The fighter in question is of course, Juan Manuel Marquez.

    Marquez rose off the canvas to stop Michael Katsidis late just a few weeks ago.

    Marquez is arguably performing better than ever at thirty-seven. There is talk of a third fight with Filipino superstar Manny Pacquiao or a fight with Amir Khan (providing he gets past Maidana this week).

    Marquez is the current WBO and WBA world lightweight champion and in the top five of most pound-for-pound lists. He holds victories over the likes of Marco Antonio Barrera, Juan Diaz [x2] and Joel Casamayor.

    Click here to read the rest...
     
    DynamicHispanic, Dec 9, 2010
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  2. Stinky gloves

    Stinky gloves Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    maybe if he moves up to LWW and beat up some name like e.g. Khan?
     
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  3. hallelujahholla

    hallelujahholla Original Gangsta Full Member

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    yeah absolutely...Marquez has surpassed Barerra...he beat him...although Barerra got robbed on that one knockdown...
     
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  4. Stinky gloves

    Stinky gloves Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    the same like Tarver surpasses Roy Jones Jr when he have beaten him
     
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  5. enzo

    enzo Greatest Of All Time Full Member

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    barrera fought khan... Marquez ducked khan. LOL
     
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  6. puertorricane

    puertorricane Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No he hasnt because he lacks any real big fight in his resume. Marquez and barrera fought big fights agaisnt eachother and other fighters. Marquez is maybe #ten in the mexican atg list.

    :hat
     
    puertorricane, Dec 10, 2010
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  7. dhenzrae

    dhenzrae A Proud Noypi Full Member

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    not yet. but he's still active and doing really good. he's not really far surpassing MAB and EM especially when he beats the champs at 140.
     
    dhenzrae, Dec 10, 2010
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  8. ekar

    ekar Active Member Full Member

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    Morales has beat the pacmonster. Not only did he beat him, he did it by fighting him toe to toe. Not sure an old casa and Katsidis make him better. Plus i tought Barrera shoud have won imo. That should be a knockdown not a point deduction
     
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  9. rayrobinson

    rayrobinson Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No , and I dont think he will , when losing in your prime years to Chris John and being schooled by Norwood are no disgrace , but this just puts you below two of the greatest Super Batams of all time.
     
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  10. Doc

    Doc Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Not yet! I have them all even with each having reasons to edge each other out... and JMM is not done, 2-3 more fights and we'll talk.
     
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  11. ahcef

    ahcef Member Full Member

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    No. His popularity is only due to his fights with Pac. Remove these and nobody will hype him.
     
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  12. PATSYS

    PATSYS Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think he is about their level.

    JMM had 2 big fights with Pacquiao and that alone should count for a lot of weight.
     
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  13. Stinky gloves

    Stinky gloves Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    two loosing attempts as well as complete fiasco vs Floyd ... so Marquez is
    doing good against second level opposition but he lacks the real spark,
    somethings which would Mexican folks remembered in the next 10 years
    like Barrera-Hammed or Barrera-Morales 3x
     
    Stinky gloves, Dec 10, 2010
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  14. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Schooled by Norwood?
    Did you watch the fight?
     
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  15. RedDragonBoxing

    RedDragonBoxing Ametuer Boxer Full Member

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    Barrera wasnt robbed, he got stupid and fouled Marquez when he was down, in most cases (Jones-Griffin and Abraham-Dirrell) it could have ended in a dq. Barrera got of lucky if anything
     
    RedDragonBoxing, Dec 10, 2010
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