Has MMA become the UFC and how does this affect Fedor?

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  1. sugarngold

    sugarngold RIDDUM Full Member

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    I'm not sure if that's the right way to phase that question. Have you ever had a conversation about MMA with someone to only have them constantly refer to the sport as UFC or ultimate fighting? Outside of my circle of friends - it happens all the time. People in the States are only familiar with the UFC due to it's exposure on Spike TV. We've seen a brand name take over the sport itself. With the UFC's continued expansion - we continue to see the best fighters in the world from lightweight to heavyweight make their way inside the octagon.

    Then, I realize that the UFC's failure to sign Fedor leaves me sad. Fedor Emileanenko is the best fighter in MMA. I'm saddened at the thought of possibly having seen his peak fighting career come to an end. Fedor is very likely consigned to fighting UFC cast offs for the remainder of his career. This won't hurt his legacy - but it certainly won't better it.

    I know this is going to **** off some of you but the UFC has all but established itself as the only game in town. Ten years ago - the best fighters fought inside the octagon or in Japan. Today, the best fighters in the world fight in the UFC. Mir. Lesnar. Couture. Nogueira. Carwin. Velasquez. Crocop. Gonazaga. Kongo. Herring. The UFC heavyweight division is an intriguing mix of wily veterans and powerful young up and comers.

    Outside the UFC - the only heavyweights are Fedor, Overeem, and Bret Rogers. DREAM and STRIKEFORCE have much deeper lineups at the lower weight divisions. Then there's the WEC - which no longer has a heavyweight division. So there's the UFC and then there's Fedor. I have no problem admitting that Fedor has proved himself as the best fighter in the world (based mainly on his dominating performances over Crocop and Nogueira - two fighters now in the UFC) - but I find his future fight possibilities less than exciting. A fighter is only as good as his competition and we may have indeed seen the last time Fedor faced the best competition in the world. In all honesty - everyone in the UFC heavyweight division could give Fedor fits. The man that cuts a path through these fighters will take over the mantle that Fedor once held as the baddest man on the planet.

    So, I've come to a sad realization that maybe my cousins are right. The MMA really is the UFC. MMA outside of the UFC has no meaning. It's like the old zen riddle about when a tree falls in the forest and no one hears it? If Fedor wins outside the UFC - does it really matter anymore?
     
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  2. rydersonthestorm

    rydersonthestorm Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Barnett, monson,Kharitonov, antonio silva, buentello amongst others don't exist.
     
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  3. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    MMA does not = just the UFC.

    So long as Fedor is fighting good names, because not everybody can be in the UFC, it just doesnt work, it will be fine. If he slips into fighting bad fights, it begins not to matter. No one person is bigger than the sport; if Fedor decides to not do the honorable thing and fight good fights, he loses, not the sport.
     
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  4. rydersonthestorm

    rydersonthestorm Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Thats fair but a nye fight with barnett or sergi and a fight in strikeforce with overeem would be a good start.
     
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  5. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That would be more than a good start, that would be in some peoples mind the best possible fight. Second best IMO, but still.

    If he does that, and does it every time out, its certainly no worse than he would have done with the UFC.
     
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  6. wentz

    wentz Member Full Member

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    This thread is wrong, stupid and worthless.

    The UFC is an MMA event. Whenever you're dumb enough to watch it, you are watching MMA.

    Dave Meltzer, who is a major chris benoit fan, has always tried to make this case, Of course he's delusional, and bought off by zuffa.

    God zuffa zombies are rotten. They just don't want mma to be civilized. But it will be. The guy who started this tread is on his way back to worshiping wwe garbage, even if he doesn't know it.

    armed.vox.com
     
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  7. ufoalf

    ufoalf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It has in America somewhat. You can't even compare it to NBA or NFL. People will ask you if you do UFC, but they'll never ask you if you do NBA. As of right now that's just pure ignorance nothing else. Once the sport gets more acceptance UFC will be compared to NBA and NFL imo.
     
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  8. J_Roth

    J_Roth VRWC Hybrid Beaner Full Member

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    Don't confuse the casual fans who watch UFC only with anyone who has been a fan for a long long time. They know only what is popular and what they are force fed.
     
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  9. Boinko

    Boinko Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The problem is it's the massive number of casual fans that watch the UFC events, and ignore all the others, that makes the UFC what it is.
    I know quite a few people who never miss a UFC PPV, yet only recently found how who Fedor was. And that was only because it became news that the UFC was desperately trying to sign him.
     
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  10. Dave_j1985

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    I like to show my mates some old Pride DVD's, just to show them there is/ was a world of MMA outside UFC. But let's be realistic, UFC have the best fighters and put on good cards. I don't know why people don't watch their cards simply because it's UFC, or call them 'the evil empire'. They made MMA what it is today, virtually created the sport and not watching their cards isn't going to hurt them! It's your loss.
     
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  11. rusty nails

    rusty nails Tszyu for PM!! Full Member

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    the ufc needs to head the way of the boxing orginistaions and start sanctioning fights on smaller shows or with rival orginisations to provide a larger forum and more opportunity to fighters.
    Either that or start francising to different countries. for example a UFC FRANCE,
    UFC ENGLAND, UFC JAPAN, UFC ITALY etc etc...
     
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  12. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    Even when Fedor smiles his face still seems to show no emotion. Stone cold assassin! Join the ****ing UFC and let's see him v Brock!
     
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  13. Spunik

    Spunik Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If Barnett's stupid ass didn't get busted again Fedor's latest non-signing with the UFC wouldn't have been seen as big a deal (assuming Fedor would have won in dynamic fashion which is his usual m.o.)
     
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  14. ryanty22

    ryanty22 VRWC Sledgehammer Full Member

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    i could see that being a good thing but not that fractured maybe a ufc europe, ufc asia, ufc n. america, ufc south america. a ufc for the continents would be cool in developing regional talent and getting these fighters from the beginning rather than letting them come thru the smaller orgs. it would be a great way to increase their monopoly. although that would probably drive alot of mma posters overboard and there would be massive e.s.b. suicide watches
     
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  15. sugarngold

    sugarngold RIDDUM Full Member

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    Instead of listing Buentello, Monson and Antonio Silva - you could just say what about all those guys that lost in the UFC and got sent down to the lower leagues?

    That's the problem.

    With fighters like Kharitonov around - there are at least one or two good fights for Fedor out there - but after them he has nowhere to go but down.

    I'm surprised Scurla hasn't shown up to call me a dumbass yet. :lol:
     
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