Has MMA become the UFC and how does this affect Fedor?

hardcore fans will rally behind Fedor no matter what(win or lose) cause the guy's the most classy, most intense and most adorable fighter in the history of MMA

 

MMA is not a mainstream sport in the US. UFC is but MMA isnt.

 

NOTE the UFC CURRENTLY have the best fighters. Before PRIDE's demise PRIDE was the best and by far the deepest organisation in the world. The diffrence in class and talent was huge. The UFC made a massive coup when they were able to wipe out and disband their biggest competitor.

And no the UFC did not make MMA what it is today. Theres very little traditional martial arts practiced in the UFC. Everyone is guffawing over Machida and Silva but these guys made there trade in other organisations represeting martial arts. Not hybrid wrestlers with a dash of jujitsu.

Where the UFC differs from any other organisation is Dana's extremely aggresive marketing. As is evident by you're post most have fallen for it hook line and sinker and see it as the defacto standard as to all that is martial arts. In my opinion its not even close.

 

:thumbsup Ask a UFC fan what Mixed Martial Arts is and assure you they could barely explain it let alone recite a handful of MA disciplines.

 

When Pride was booming there was no comparison between the two shows. The Pride shows were on a different level.

I would say Nobuyuki Sakikabara managed to make a coup in convincing the UFC to pay a multi million amount for nothing more than a video library which wasnt even all the Pride material, and assets which didnt include fighter contracts. UFC got screwed big time in that deal.

 

Dana knew the UFC got ****ed in the deal. He doesnt care. He runs shows in Europe at a loss. The reason is simple. Product brand and great promotion. Thats all the UFC has ever been about with Dana at the helm. And these socalled "fans" fall for it every time. There not interested in MMA there just interested in whatever Dana can feed them.

 

**** like this just shows what a hater you truely are.

You act like there are MMA fans that aren't UFC fans; sorry buddy, you and snakerattle seem to be the only people who like MMA that don't consider yourselfs fans of the UFC.

I'm sure you were just born with a deep knowledge of MMA before you ever saw the UFC though, you are just so much better and smarter than everybody else. You were born an eliteist, you never were new to the sport, you always knew who the fourth ranked flyweight in Shooto was.


God forbid that some people may watch the UFC like they watch the NFL, or that a soccer fan doesn't know the backup keeper for Leeds, or who lost the fourth qualifying round of the Intertoto cup right?

Damn all those idiots who don't know every single thing about the sport instantly, I hate them so much for providing the MMA world with more money, exposure, and popularity than before.

God I wish it was just 4 am streams on a sunday in a foreign language, then we would all be just as awsome as you.

 

Sure it was. Thank god we can still have this stupid old debate.

 

The same reason why you can harp on the diffrences between Fedor being the greatest of all time and not being the greatest fighter in his division currently. Yeah your a real bright shining light when it comes to arguing semantics. :roll:

 

Im glad you feel that way. Its tough being me sometimes. Sometimes you have to let sleeping dogs lay.......

 

Who did then? Pancrase? Shooto?

Vale Tudo in Brazil was the pioneer in the West; Shooto in the East. The UFC was the first Vale Tudo organization of note in the US. Pancrase was the first modified MMA organization of note in Japan.

No Zuffa didn't get MMA regulated as they have claimed, but the UFC was really the first show to run an MMA event with todays rules and weight classes.

What exactly does "making MMA what it is today" mean? Who did it?

What does traditional martial arts have to do with anything? MMA is, was, and will always be about whats effective. If thats a Shinya Aoki, a Machida, a or a Brock Lesnar, its what MMA is about.

 

Fedor not signing to fight in the UFC, is the equivalent of Lennox Lewis not fighting Riddick Bowe, young Tyson and young Holyfield or Roy Jones not facing Darius Michelcewski, Nigel Benn and Hopkins again, they are both all time greats regardless but it would have been a hell of alot sweeter if these fights happened.

I think the same applies with Fedor not fighting Lesnar, Mir, Couture, Valasquez, Carwin etc.

Also the UFC title is now considered the genuine 'world title' whatever way you look at it, the UFC is the number 1 organisation in mma, Fedors legacy will increase with a UFC belt.

 

All of the following is assuming Fedor and Lesnar keep winning.

Fedor can hold on to his claim as being MMA's heavyweight champion for a short while to come. Lesnar can't just immediately assume Fedor's current placement in the sport without defeating him. Fedor has a few available opponents on par with Lesnar's challengers.

I went to Fight Matrix' website ( http://www.fightmatrix.com/mma-ranks/ ) and 12 of their top 20 heavyweights last fought in the UFC. I realize these rankings are computer generated following a formula, but I find them better than some of the other websites' human picked orders. That's not the point.

At first I thought that the UFC had lock on having the best. Then look at who is on it. Most of these guys are established veterans, flukes (mercer), and guys as good as they're ever going to be. There are quite a bit of up and comers with various organizations. The UFC is the favorite to sign the best of these fighters, sure; but there is the chance they materialize else where.

I was hoping this fight would happen soon, while it is on more of a level playing field. Lesnar has a 70 lb weight advantage to take with his serious athletic ability into the ring with Fedor. I believe Fedor to be the best fighter in MMA history, but Lesnar is a challenge like he's never faced. Though the age difference is minimal, the clock is very much against Fedor. If both continue their winning ways, even if it's only 3 in a row for Lesnar, Lesnar gets closer to being even odds with each fight.