Na haye never achieved extraordinary things either. Most yanks are on roids though, if you look at all the fighters who have been caught taking roids about 90% of them are american.
I'm cool and very patriotic and very proud if it. Benn,Froch And Hatton all men who walked through walls and did not let a defeat deter them, what's not to be proud of?:arran:arran:arran:
look at how he and Holyfield fought Valuev and its plain to see nature has been kind to him by giving him a very weak era of HWs to compete against
That was not my point. P4p punching power Haye is up there but that power is at cruiserweight . The whole point of the saying p4p is to place people's power on an even level if all the same but you can't do that with a cruiserweight who is giving potentially 3 or4 stones away.
Youre saying hes not big enough for HW but the fact is he just didn't have the skills to compete with the big HW see how Holyfield attacked Valuev compared to Haye it not his size but his skills
Holyfield was an all time great. We could split hairs but if they both were bigger we would not be talking about the klits boring and dominating or more to the point stopping Americans so called right to the heavyweight title.