Has Oscar fought the best opposition of any fighter ever?

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  1. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    Nope, I think people should be able to distinguish between "best opposition" and "best resume".

    No one can really argue that Oscar has the best resume ever, that would be crazy because he lost a few of those fights, but I think there is a strong case that in terms of quality of opponent, Oscar has faced the best, certainly in recent times.
     
  2. doomeddisciple

    doomeddisciple Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That is a bit different from a thread entitled "Oscar has fought the best opposition of any fighter ever"
     
  3. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    The thread title is insulting to the history of the sport.
     
  4. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    Only if you're dumb enough to take it at face value, rather than what it actually is: a thread title in the GF designed to stimulate debate.
     
  5. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    It's a statement, and not a well informed one. Better would have been changing "Oscar" and "has" around.
     
  6. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    Maybe, maybe not. I would say Oscar was close to prime against Hopkins, he was just fighting at a weight he really shouldn't have been competing at, at least, not against an elite like Hopkins. He "lost" against Tito, in his absolute prime. He was well past his prime when he beat Mayorga. I see three moments when this would have been appropriate to retire; after Vargas (personal preference), after Mayorga or after running Mayweather close.
     
  7. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    True, although its not a reality. It was just a controversial hook to get people in. I wouldn't be arrogant enough to make this statment in everyday conversation, but as a topic in the GF, subtle, humble title topics based entirely on well established fact are not generally rewarded with much in the way of opinion or debate.
     
  8. See Me Flow

    See Me Flow The Pharaoh of Boxing Full Member

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    :yep :good
     
  9. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    That depends really. I mean, you can place too much importance on who someone faced, rather than who they actually beat. Oscar fought the best, but he didn't beat the best. I can give Oscar credit for fighting Mayweather, Hopkins and Pacquiao - but I can't say losing to them has enhanched his overall "resume" - which, I think - but this may change in the future, - should only be who you actually beat, which in this instance, Oscar would be a strong contender for best resume, but not the clear winner by any means.
     
  10. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    Yeah, he is shot. Not physically, but Oscar has definetly lost that mental ability to beat the crap out of another human being, Oscar has clearly got too civilised to be a truly effective fighter. It happens though, he has money, other interests, a family, his brain and looks are still intact and he has been a part time fighter for a few years now, you can't expect him to have the same mental toughness and hunger that he once did. But, he is still capable of beating the likes of Chavez Jr. or someone else on that kind of level - for a "farewell" fight.
     
  11. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    I don't think it would have made any difference. An interesting topic is an interesting topic, and its only the order of two words that make a difference. However, by saying what you actually mean and taking a more suggestive tact would have probably resulted in more positive contributions.
     
  12. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    Thanks for the suggestion, title has been changed. :good
     
  13. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    I agree with the first part. Roy has fought better opponents than Ruiz P4P, but the context of that win was arguabley the best of his career, simple because of the MW winning a HW title. Although, the Toney is probablly better overall, because its James Toney...in his prime. At the end of the day though, Ruiz, love him or hate him isn't a bum, he has fought and beat a lot of top heavyweights, so for Jones to beat him, is really something.
     
  14. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    :happy

    I think that will encourage people to think about the topic at hand and compare his competition, rather than over compensating for the title and negatively criticising De La Hoya's win/loss ratio against the competition.

    I say of his era, he's probably fought the best competition. There are a few other candidates, but nobody can really argue too much if somebody wants to say De La Hoya. Throughout history, its very difficult to match guys that have hundreds of fights with many against HOF'ers. It's pure statistics and logic.
     
  15. Ted Stickles

    Ted Stickles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Thats the one thing i always respected about Oscar...He didnt duck anyone and always looked to fight the best...While he didnt always beat the best he still pursued the fights with them:rasta