Has Pavlik ever faced a guy who didnt just stand in front of him??

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  1. bumdujour

    bumdujour Well-Known Member Full Member

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    There are a lot of folks basing their prediction simply on two facts:

    1)pavlik walked through big hardpunching miranda.

    2) Taylor looked awkward/crappy vs lighthitting spinks.

    So they put one and two together and they say:

    YO PAVLIK GONNA KILL THIS GUY!!!

    i have been hearing this all week from my local "boxing experts"!

    Well, this may work at your average schoolyard brawl, but in boxing.......NO!


    first off, i agree. taylor looked bad vs both spinks and winkey.

    but tell me: who ever looked great vs spinks or wright???

    both are awkward, shifty, worldclass southpaws.......in other words: if i were to pick two fighters that taylor would look bad against, i dont think there would be a better pick than these two!

    Pavlik on the other hands has only faced one top ten contender in miranda.
    and miranda stood straight in front of him.........made to bring out the very best in pavlik.

    and the only other halfway recognizable names on kellys record, zentuche, mckart and zuniga, are straightforward guys.
    nothing slick, just nice broad targets there to be hit.

    taylormade for kelly to look a million dollars!

    so be carefull what you base your prediction on!!

    Taylor is faster, more athletic and more versatile..........simply something that kelly has never seen before.
     
  2. PACZ

    PACZ Czarnina-Sippin []ing Fan Full Member

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    He Was Walked Down By Ouma...
     
  3. bumdujour

    bumdujour Well-Known Member Full Member

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    ouma was a short southpaw who is faster than pavlik.

    kelly has been dropped by zuniga.

    taylor has faced two top pound for pound guys. kelly.......
     
  4. The Funny Man 7

    The Funny Man 7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What worries me about Taylor is his apparent loss of hunger. Say what you want to about him getting mean, I won't believe it till I see it. Also, his seeming unwillingness to correct his gaping defensive flaws is trouble.
     
  5. pipe wrenched

    pipe wrenched ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    Have you seen Zuniga? And if Winky and Spinks are world renowned southpaws that Mr. Sugar Ray Robinson couldn't look good against, why were they chosen opponents? They can't bust a grape. And yeah Ouma fights all ****in crazy, but JT should be ashamed of himself, ****in Ouma diidn't barely come to his chin heighth wise.
     
  6. The Kurgan

    The Kurgan Boxing Junkie banned

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    Exactly. Taylor is a boxer who thinks defensively, but doesn't have a good defense. I think that low left is going to be costing him all night against Pavlik.
     
  7. bumdujour

    bumdujour Well-Known Member Full Member

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    yes, i have seen zuniga. first time when he couldnt even drop jr. middle china chin daniel santos. still, a tough, solid fringe contender, but nothing special.

    why was winky chosen?? he had beaten trinidad and the public (see ring magazine) forced it.

    spinks and ouma?? ****in beats me!!! stupid matchmaking, i would have never picked either one. NO win situatians to start with.

    as for the ouma fight: yeah, he should have been ashamed for that performance.
    but as you said: fighting a short, fast southpaw punching like crazy aint exactly an easy assingment!!!
    punching down never is.

    but im not gonna say taylor is perfect. but he is the more gifted and far more tested guy.

    and its not like kelly is mr. perfect. he has been dropped a couple of times by lesser fighters than taylor.
    he squares up infront of his opponents. and he appears underprepared competionwise.

    sure kelly is the guy with power and physique. but if you look in the history books, in such fights, its guys like taylor that usually win this.
     
  8. pipe wrenched

    pipe wrenched ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    Fair enough.:good Pavlik KO 7.
     
  9. bumdujour

    bumdujour Well-Known Member Full Member

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    yes, thats pavliks big chance.
     
  10. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Not with the skills of Taylor. And thats why Pavlik is going to look like a totally different fighter than people are used to seeing.
     
  11. The Kurgan

    The Kurgan Boxing Junkie banned

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    Basically, Taylor has to get his act together in a big way for this fight. If he moves well, sticks the jab out and is busy, he can silence a lot of critics on the 29th. We know what Pavlik will do: he'll try to drag Taylor into a brawl and outwork him. It's how Taylor responds that will determine this fight.
     
  12. bumdujour

    bumdujour Well-Known Member Full Member

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    :good thats the way i see it.
     
  13. KayEpps

    KayEpps Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I've been saying the same thing.

    No one looks good fighting B-Hop, Winky, Ouma, or Spinks. However - try to remember all the fights Taylor had before fighting B-hop and tell me what you thought of him.

    Manny has Taylor up in the Poconos - where none of his fighters have ever lost after training up there. Taylor is focused and that equals a win in dominate fashions. Only a couple days to go now before we back in here with the "I told you so's."

    Taylor by KO in the 8th
     
  14. Stickandmove

    Stickandmove Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Pavlik is taking a big step up in class. Taylor has already fought better fighters than Pavlik (Hopkins for one). Pavlik does have a punchers chance but, with Manny Steward in his corner, you have to figure that Taylor will employ the right tactics and box his way to a UD victory.
     
  15. pipe wrenched

    pipe wrenched ESB ELITE SQUAD Full Member

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    Pavlik KO 7. Keep this **** though, I've never called Taylor a fraud and I'm on the side of the fence that says he won fair and square X2 over B-Hops.