Has Sergio Martinez Ever Randomly Tested For Steroids?

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  1. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    :think Do you think he juiced in the first fight? His stamina seemed to fail him that time. IMO
     
  2. Gneus7

    Gneus7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Okay fair enough. I myself suspect certain boxers of using PEDs.

    I'm not so sure you're raising awareness because there might not be anything for people to be aware of (i.e. Martinez may have been clean). I agree that illegal PED use and any form of cheating should be eradicated from the sport but the thing I don't like about these kind of "questions" is:

    1. You could be unfairly casting doubt on an innocent person and even with no proof these accusations stick, some people will believe they were cheating. Look at Pacquiao, many people believe he was cheating even though there is no proof and he could be completely innocent. Imagine how you would feel if you were a clean, hard working athlete who was falsely accused of this.

    2. Whenever a boxer or other athlete improves or does something great or impressive, instead of admiring them or giving them credit, people will suspect them of cheating. I don't think that is good for boxing or other sports.
     
  3. aramini

    aramini Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You get better at something the more you do it (until your body falls apart from age or you take such a beating that your reflexes are affected). Starting late, it took him time to apply his reflexes to the sport. This happens in the amateurs, especially when it is a matter of crude skill: you start out getting beaten up by guys who, in a year or two, you will be able to beat if you have some talent and athletic potential. Pros take a hellacious beating constantly, though, so eventually this stuff catches up to them and they just can't do it anymore. I feel his progress was fairly normal for a very talented guy: starting out crude but with flashes of speed and power, perfecting his technique without any significant amateur career to speak of. Show me someone who can beat a young Margarito without a lot of experience in amateur or professional boxing and that guy would be a legitimate prodigy physically.
     
  4. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    1. is like saying if theres smoke coming out of a building but you don't see a fire, you shouldn't open to door to see if there's a fire or call the ambulance. What's about the opponents of #1, what if someone is using steroids? The opponent has to get beat up by a steroid user and deal with the damage for his whole career? Do you think that's fair?

    2. Athletes can do something great. When they do things that don't make sense historiclaly is when they deserve to get questioned....

    example.
    Mark McGuire Career high homeruns was 49 on a season at the age of 23 in 1987. In 1994 he only had 9 and had a noticeable decline at the age of 30. 4 years later at 34 he hit 70 home runs which shattered roger maris record.

    NOBODY questioned this guy as ridiculous as that feat is. It took for Jose Canseco to snitch for the news to come out. Sergio Martinez is like sammy sosa. A guy who's first few years in the sport were ok but not explosive, then unbelievably in the 2nd half of his career he suddenly became a guy who could do something that he couldn't in his first half. Again it's plain to see to me, I'm not trying to tarnish what he has done. Truthfully there is no way to ever know, which is why i started the thread the way I did...


    Has sergio martinez ever randomly tested?



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    Certainly, Pound continued, the notion that steroids cause their users only to bulk up -- and thus would be of minimal interest to boxers, who rely on speed, endurance and lean muscle -- is erroneous.

    "Anything that increases muscle mass and strength would be of assistance in boxing," he observed. "And also just the recovery from training."

    "The reason most fighters use anabolic steroids is not for the bulk," Goodman added. "It's not the big heavyweights that are testing positive, it's the smaller weights. And there's always been this misperception that they're used to put on bulk, whereas in reality they're used by athletes so they can train more. They reduce the time they have to take off if they have a small injury. The problem is that it's a double-edged sword, because steroid use chronically will lead to tendon injuries as well as a breakdown of the bones, making them more brittle."

    http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=2782402
     
  5. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Steroids or not Sergio was a class boxer who would have stood Cotto on his head during his peak.
     
  6. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    if serg was on roids.... cotto would whoop his ass with serg OFF the roids.....
     
  7. Gneus7

    Gneus7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Do I think it's fair? No, I said I agree that illegal PED use and all forms of cheating should be eradicated.

    Opening the door to see if there is a fire is the equivalent of testing for PEDs which I agree should be done. What you're doing though is making unfounded accusations with no real evidence.

    You're entitled to that opinion but I think it's a bad attitude to have personally plus I think What Sergio did does kind of make sense historically. I think quite a few fighters have improved their punching technique, punching power and overall boxing ability as they gain experience. If you watch prospects during their first few fights they don't seem to punch as hard as they do a few years later in their prime. Their punching power improves through training, not to mention their overall boxing ability which allows them to land those more powerful punches. The only reason those prospects get so many KO's early in their career is because they are matched against opponents who are much worse than themselves. That may not have been the case for Sergio.

    As you said, he may have cheated, it's impossible to know but as I and others have pointed out, I don't think what Sergio did was so incredible, unbelievable or superhuman. To me it's not a huge surprise that a sportsman can improve with experience, practice, training etc.

    During the first two years of his career he is very inexperienced so he's not that good so he doesn't get a lot of KO's. As he gains more experience and learn his craft, he steadily improves as a fighter and his KO% goes up. That is just as plausible as your theory that he took steroids imo.
     
  8. STB

    STB #noexcuses Full Member

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    He didn't just go from being a guy that git beaten by Margo to beating Pavlik.

    There was a DECADE in between!

    You may as well ask how did Wlad go from being stopped by Purrity to domninating Povetkin
     
  9. Lady Girl

    Lady Girl Kneel Before Zod! Full Member

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    usually when fighters get off the shi- is when they start to see decline and injuries start taking over their career. examples of this are a-rod and pujols. even though pujols was never caught, injuries started to plague him badly. martinez probably was on the shi-. i think its safe to say most top athletes are on it. why should martinez or floyd be any different from pacquiao or a-rod?
     
  10. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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  11. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    So Sergio's suspicious because he used to ride a bicycle? I guess that means I must have been on PEDs once too because I used to ride one when I was younger. And all my mates are also on them because they used to ride bicycles as well. And my mates who still use them now to ride to and from work are all juice heads too. :patsch

    Man, the racism on here is really getting out of control these days.
     
  12. IDKSAB

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    imo the physiological abnormalities that occur in elite athletes that produce more power than their ligaments and tendons allow without repurcussions are why we see these athletes cope with chronic injuries. One injury creates an imbalance and along with the uncanny power exhibited (especially when already injured) is what I believe causes this. but clean athletes don't get hurt when they get older, aging has ceased to exist in the 21st century.......:patsch
     
  13. purephase

    purephase Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He offered to for the Chavez fight but JCC threatened to walk away if any extra testing was carried out.
     
  14. RememberingC.S.

    RememberingC.S. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I knew all that, but thanks. I was just pointing out that as a former cyclist and footballer, Sergio was naturally gifted with impressive stamina, he had to.
     
  15. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    I've never suspected Martinez and I doubt it.