Has the Classic forum learned anything in the old vs modern debate?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by cross_trainer, Aug 21, 2021.

  1. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

    Apr 20, 2010
    If someone actually does a follow-up to "The Arc of Boxing"... one can only hope, it will be less biased than the original one!
  2. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Jan 4, 2008
    Maybe I don't believe training methods have shifted quite as much as I used to. For example, the use of weights in training seems to be quite individual. There is certainly much more of it than, say, 40 years ago, but probably not to such an extent that I previously thought.

    I don't believe the shift in nutrition has been as massive as I once did either, even though things like eating steak in camp are probably much more rare today, and maybe more fruits and nuts back then where as emphasis today might be more on vegetables.

    I still don't believe in lost arts or that boxing stoped developing at some point. With the easy access to film we have today, it would be strange if today's boxers didn't learn from past masters. Knowledge that earlier had to be passed down, they now can scoop up directly by just going to Youtube.
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  3. Jel

    Jel Obsessive list maker Full Member

    Oct 20, 2017
    The sign of a considered poster not trying to blow their own trumpet but actually wanting to learn.
  4. Kamikaze

    Kamikaze Bye for now! banned Full Member

    Oct 12, 2020
    If the day comes when you want to save Classic we and the team you assemble in the montage will be ready. But I’m gonna be the guy you gotta save from his PTSD and alcoholic self destruction before I join cause I’m just dramatic like that.
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  5. BCS8

    BCS8 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Aug 21, 2012
    I think a realization that things have progressed somewhat, has started to sink in.

    Conversely, in the General forum I often see blatant ignorance and disrespect for th old ATG's.

    I remember the "Kovalev beats Marciano" thread which was laughable.
  6. thistle

    thistle Boxing Addict Full Member

    Dec 21, 2016
    is there a sea of excellence between the Truly BEST TOP Men? NO!!!

    but the MAIN thing that Has to be Attributed the Past TOP Men is Numbers of Top Opponents over YEARS...

    my best example favouring those past greats, is, Tarver vs RJJ.

    Roy got SPARKED and was NEVER the Same, Ok, so what some might say, so what.

    Well what 'IF' Roy would have met 2 or 3 Tarver's a Year, what IF he met the Tarver's Types Earlier rather than lesser fighters with the occasional name.

    I'm not saying Roy wasn't a great fighter, he WAS!, Repeat he was.

    but the Point is, IF all of these 25 - 35 Fight supposed greats would have met the Tarver's of their respected division more regularly and sooner, Well, Fair Question here

    HOW many of them, like Roy, 'might' have been finished or fallen away sooner???

    the Past Fighters DID it, it's DONE, Already Recorded and for ALL-Time... They DID IT!

    Too, too many 'supposed' Modern greats Have Not!

    it's a very simple Observation and Equation, it only needs an honest objective analyses to come to a certain conclusion one way or another, and/or for an individual fighter(s) or not.

    there are Great Fighters in Every Era - OF COURSE, but 'Generally Speaking' the PAST Fighters have LOCKED it, Much, Much More without question!
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  7. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

    Mar 21, 2007
    I bet the next gen of old vs new debates will focus on sparring. Fighters are going to be doing way more non-contact sparring, body-sparring, half-contact over the next couple of decades and that change will be permanent (barring some bizarre change in society). What this means is that modern-day apologists will have to come up with reasons why sparring doesn't matter, sparring has been replaced (by padwork for example) and a fighter can be just as good with no/light-contact sparring as with full-contact sparring. Those days of "i sparred x number of rounds for this fight" are over too.
  8. janitor

    janitor Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Feb 15, 2006
    No, in fact if anything we have confused the issue further!
  9. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    May 30, 2019
    It learnt me that some people will always stay attached to their opinions, even against new facts and reasonable argumentations.
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  10. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

    Mar 21, 2007
    Modern Weightmaking and the realities surrounding it have really confused some history buffs.
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  11. Bumnard_Hopkins

    Bumnard_Hopkins Burger King banned Full Member

    Jul 13, 2021
    You laugh but Kovalev probably does beat Marciano. Marciano was an extremely crude boxer. Nothing I have seen of his fights convinces me he could get close enough to Kovalev without getting floored.
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  12. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Oct 25, 2006
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  13. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

    Apr 3, 2012
    I’ve learned that Boomers greatly overrate fighters from the 1970s and early 80s.
  14. janitor

    janitor Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Feb 15, 2006
    Then somebody would have turned the trick in the real universe.
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  15. BCS8

    BCS8 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Aug 21, 2012
    Yeah I agree that Kovalev was a much better boxer than Marciano

    So were a number of guys Rocky fought and they all ended up in the infirmary.
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