Has The Heavyweight Division Ever Been So Poor?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by mcvey, Dec 13, 2011.


  1. janitor

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    That is a prety darn stacked top 10.

    Not one plane of weakness in it.
     
  2. Seamus

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    Nope, I didn't forget them.
     
  3. Mendoza

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    Your stupidly amazes me. Will anyone outside of Germany pay to see Chisora you say? Look no further than your own country. They would fill an arena if the fight was in the UK or travel well to see their man. The Klitschko's are very popular not only in Germany, but most of Eastern Europe.


    I would say Chisora, based on his good performance vs. Robert Helenius ( Chisora was robbed. I had him winning 8-4 ), is now a top ten fighter. Mormeck is a former champion who has been on a winning streak, but that fight might now be off. Though he is smaller, many here will tell Mormeck's size doesn't not matter much, but we know when combined with skills and power, if most certainly does.

    To answer you question, there have been many down periods in heavyweight boxing.


    Jack Johnson jokes for title matches from 1909-1915. Ross, Flynn, Moran, and Jim Battling Johnson selected as opponents when the top talent was not selected.

    Willard's time as champion pre Jack Dempsey


    The division post Tunney, but Pre-Louis


    Louis and the mid 30's


    World War II


    Patterson pre Liston.
     
  4. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Why thank you kindly.
     
  5. mcvey

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    Just a little tip,when accusing some one of stupidity, it is as well to spell it correctly.

    It is STUPIDITY, not STUPIDLY as you STUPIDLY TYPED .
    Chisora does not draw flies in the UK ,neither do the Klits unless a UK fighter such as Fury was to be involved .
    Fury is not ready for the Klits, yet he has comprehensively beaten Chisora whom Wlad picked for a gimmee over three fights ago.

    Chisora has 18 fights under his belt,has never beaten anyone rated ,has lost to the best man he has met, and has ONE win in his last three fights,and that over a man with
    a 19-43-3 record.

    The Chisora Wlad fight fell through because of the draconian terms the Klits wanted to impose on the deal via their K2 promotions, plus they reneged on the deal when the prospective number crunching showed that it would not be viable financially as no one outside of Germany would pay to watch it,Wlad then went the Haye route.

    Haye's non performance was atrocious, Wlad's passive acceptance of it was underwhelming, so now we have Wlad defending against the 39 years old man that Haye stopped in 7 rds ,4 years ago.

    What does "if most certainly does mean"?:huh


    I've bought your Xmas present;







    A dictionary.
    P.S. Just watched the Helenius fight.

    I made it a draw 5-5 two even ,too close to be called a robbery.

    The referee was a fussy, partial prat who did Chisora no favours constantly on his case, for nothing infringements.
    Neither fighter has real power but it was an entertaining scrap fought at a fast pace.

    Chisora fought in the style that Haye should have adopted against Wlad.

    Chisora was in much better shape than he was for Fury, which begs the question ,would he have beaten Fury, if he was in better condition?
     
  6. mcvey

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    Six of the ten being former world champions.:patsch
     
  7. mcvey

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    Walker beat several good heavies and drew with Sharkey.
    Loughran beat three world heavyweight champions ,and countless contenders.
     
  8. Mendoza

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    Anyone who scored that fight a draw doesn't know much about boxing. Chisora won easily. I would like to know which six rounds you gave Helenius, just so I can post a rounds here if possible to show what a lousy judge you really are. I'm not sure if you are trying to twist things again to make yourself appear right ( and diminish Chisora who fights Vitali next ) , or if you just don't know much about the sport. I suspect its a bit of both.


    Neither fighter has any real power you say? Um, no. Check out Helenius KO's on youtube and you will see. On second thought you won't!


    I see you kept quite about no one is willing to see a Klitschko fight out of Germany. Face if, all you have is grammar and spelling errors. You make plenty of them too, I just don' have much time these days to correct a fool, but I will correct your lies if I happen to be reading the post here.
     
  9. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    He is a cankerous old man isn't he? Sometimes I actually feel sorry for him. I'm not sure how he would spend the rest of his life if he was banned here.


    PS: Did Klompton come back? I'm not sure why he was banned, but he is a much better poster than McVey.
     
  10. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Yes.
     
  11. mcvey

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    Unlike you I have actually boxed competitively,and followed the sport for over 50 years .I am no expert ,but I would hate to think I did not know more about it than you.
    I gave Helenius the 5,7th ,9th ,11th,and 12th.I gave Chisora the 1st,2nd,3rd, 4th , and 10th. Two even.

    If you look at my earlier post ,I said I gave them 5 rds each .I see your arithmetic is as bad as your English.

    The UK commentator stated he thought it was very close, and that Chisora needed to win the last 2 rds.His name is Duke McKenzie,and he was ringside ,not viewing a screen.



    McKenzie had 46 pro fights winning 39. and held the following.
    British Fly weight title.
    European Flyweight title.
    I. B. F. Flyweight title
    European Bantamweight title.
    W.B.O. Bantamweight title.
    W.B.O. Super Bantamweight title.
    British Featherweight title.
    So according to you, McKenzie "doesn't know much about boxing". The co commentator expressed reservations about Chisora's power owing to the fact that , though he landed frequently on Helenius he did not have him in any trouble. I reiterate, neither possess real heavy duty power.

    I told you once before I am impartial when I watch a fight ,you called me a liar ,as you frequently do ,it is a convenient refuge for a sub- normal ****** like yourself to fallback on.

    Now I have given a non partisan verdict, you again call me a liar.You not only contradict yourself,you embarrass yourself ,or at least you would if you had any idea of the buffoon that you are.

    Later addition. I've just watched the Helenius kos ,I will concede that he appears to hit harder than he domonstrated against Chisora, but he is not a bona -fide ,heavy duty banger.imo.
     
  12. The Mongoose

    The Mongoose I honor my bets banned

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    :good
     
  13. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Cormac has become something of self-parody, though his early works are fantastic.

    There are a lot of great writers around today... what the world needs are great readers.
     
  14. mcvey

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    I think he just became popular. I like all his books to varying degrees,of the comparatively early stuff, Sutree is great imo. Blood Meridian and All The Pretty Horses are outstanding, Meridian has been validly compared to Moby Dick as an odyssey , and novel. Horses, with the other two The Crossing, and Cities Of The Plain is a wonderful trilogy,imo.


    For light reading I like Larry McMurtry, he relaxes me.
    My favourites are Papa, and Steinbeck. Back to pugilism.
     
  15. Seamus

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    I thought he went downhill with All the Pretty Horses, pretty much repeating himself, which was fine. He needed and deserved the money.

    My faves are Faulkner, Joyce and about 2 dozen others.

    The HW division seems to have some hope on the horizon. We're have seen some nice efforts as of late... Povetkin, Helenius, Chisora, Mitchell, Chambers, Adamek... There are some more guys still below the radar. If promoters would just make the matches with as much daring as MMA does...