Has The Heavyweight Division Ever Been So Poor?

Klits dont have drawing power ??

 

I'm guessing this is a play on the movie Rainman, and just like him you'll never learn. You often take something from a book or media, and if it suits your agenda, run with it and never look back. Just to clarify, Quantas has had their share of problems to.

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It is often claimed, most notably in the 1988 movie [url]Rain Man[/url], that Qantas has never had an aircraft crash.[url][81][/url] While it is true that the company has neither lost a jet airliner nor had any jet fatalities, it had eight fatal accidents and an aircraft shot down between 1927 and 1945, with the loss of 63 people. Half of these accidents and the shoot-down occurred during World War II, when the Qantas aircraft were operating on behalf of Allied military forces. Post-war, it lost another two aircraft with the loss of 17 lives. To this date, the last fatal accident suffered by Qantas was in 1951

 

Probably? Probably????? Wepner is the worst ever man to fight for a World title.

 

Pete Rademacher.

 

Anyway, the title of the thread should not be " has the heavyweight division ever been so poor?" but rather, " has it ever been so great?"

You have two superbly sculpted statues who came from the same gene pool who would have creamed the living crap out of Ali, Louis, Lewis, Foreman, Frazier, Tyson, Holmes and probably any two of those men in the same ring simultaneously... The contenders of the past decade have included Albert the dragon, Sam Peter, Ruslan Chagaev, David Haye, Sultan Ibragimov, Danny williams, Chris Byrd, Chris Areolla, Tony Thompson, Eddie Chambers, Corrie sanders, Juan Gomez and a myriad of others who would surely have been ATG's in other periods....

This is the third coming of a golden age in heavyweight boxing, and more specifically, its a PLATINUM age.... The very best of all... And we at ESB are getting a front row seat to history being made.....

.....Dedicated to frankenfrank......

 

Holmes era was pretty weak

 

For my one thousandth post, I'd like to count our blessings, praise the here and now, and thus answer this thread in the negative:

- We must resist nostalgia; we know elevating the past is a constant when we read Jack Dempsey elevating Jess Willard, Joe Louis elevating Johnny Paycheck, Larry Holmes elevating Gerry Cooney. I think "the Brady Bunch" is great; and it was, for its time. But I should not attempt to belittle "Friends" or "Two and a Half Men" just because they don't fit my paradigm.

- Today we can appreciate athletes who are not starving, lacking in technical training resources. Today's athletes are products meant to make money and it's not such a bad thing: they are physically powered with performance enhancers, research-supported diet regimens, technically-backed weight-training programs and the result is a generation that has sometimes done wondrous things, unheard of back in the rosy day: Ibeabuchi and Tua gave us a tussle of a greater workrate than the fabled Manila war; much is made of Ali's return from exile, but Vitali Klitschko was away for even longer, four years, jumped right back into the game and took the title from a young, powerful, dangerous man in any era in Samuel Peter; speaking of Ibeabuchi, his one-punch devastation of Byrd is one of the most scorching, frightening displays of physical prowess I have ever witnessed; and speaking of Vitali, the man is impressive: he is prevailing at the world-class level at the age of 40(!), along with his brother is a relatively clean-living athlete, a family man with a PhD, political concerns and successes in his home country. I have never really pondered the fact that the brothers are white, but, hey, it's also fascinating to see the myth of inherent black superiority placed on its head by the Ukrainians.

Today's division is not great, but rarely has it been. Usually the top two or three heavyweights could be competitive in any era, and the rest are a collection of upstarts, has-beens and never-will-bes.

One negative I personally see today is the safety-first, brand-saving-above-all approach, a basic lack of fire in the belly; but that's just a reflection of today's comparatively soft society.

I have made peace with steroid use; you gotta "join 'em"; there's no stopping "progress".

If we, as boxing fans, enjoy tearing down current stars in favor of a beloved yesteryear, we're only tearing down the sport we love.

With a straight face I can say I wouldn't be surprised to see Vitali intimidating Liston in the staredown. Oh, yes.

 

Mr. Magoo you are right on the $$$ ,I couldnt say it as good!!!!!

 

Might have been Wepner, might have been Coopman. But the point is that every era had its tomato can contenders.

I feel sorry for those poor schnooks who think today's HW division of boxing isn't worth watching. As if Fury/Chisora and Helenius/Chisora weren't thrilling fights.

Of course, the two Klits are maybe the best ever, so they dominate, but the division, once history is written, will be judged as good as it ever was.

 

If you guys dont like the heavyweight division,go back to watching your Ali tapes of the greatest vs. Wepner,Coopman,evangalista,Dunn woo&ahing at every move the GREATEST makes!!!!

 

Piscater your another great one on this place. if spillane is so good dont stop reading him,invite McVey over to watch Ali fights,Doug Jones ,Cooper 4th rd.,Frazier 1,calling Frazier a gorilla Floyd names isnt that excitin to your elk.

 

The Klits are the best ever,modern athletes advantages training diet,also gentle man not espousing name calling ,dieatribe ,swearing, gentlemen NOT Bigmouthstong:tong