Has there been a bigger waste of talent than Mayweahter?

for sure he wasted, and continues to waste it, floyd beats pacquiao quite handily in my opinion (IN MY OPINION!!) but he won't take the fight, I'm a big mayweather fan but there's just no excuse for this. well, he can have his money, but he's gonna be kicking himself when he's an old man and realises "wow, I'm actually not ranked as one of the best p4p of all time".

 

The fact that he retired p4p top fighter and earned the most money over 6 fights than anyone else proved otherwise. Apart from Pac, there is no one close out there that can beat him. He fought the best, made money and stayed fit and healthy. That to me is whats its all about, not fighting constantly damaging yourself.

 

at sfw he certainly did. and he fought the best lightweight in the world. but that's where his run of fighting the best ended.

when was the last time we had to see floyd prove his skills against an elite opponent?

 

As for as im concerned, Mosley, Hatton and Marquez are elite fighters. All of these fighters would beat most of the boxers around too. The only fighter that truly stands out is Pac......

Everyone saying that Mosley is finished, but i bet he could still beat the majority of WWs out there.

 

How was Holyfield the best heavyweight of the decade when he lost to Bowe and Lewis you ****ing moron. Tyson was the man until he lost in 1990 to Douglas. You can make the case Holyfield was the best until he lost to Bowe in 92. Then he lost to Bowe again in 95. If you're werent such a dumbass **** you'd know that many figured Holyfield was shot by this times. But guess wht Holyfield has 2 amazing victories over Tyson. Becomes the man again. But then he fights Lewis in 99 and loses.


So at no point was Holyfield the "best" heavyweight, he never cleaned up the division. Infact besides Tyson he lost 4 out of 5 bouts to the 2 best. At no point was did he ever establish himself as the best for a decade. Somebody should slap the **** out your ***git ass for claiming that.

Explain it again ***git. Jones Jr won just as many LEGIT belts in as many divisions. Oscar was never the man in any division. Oscar never beat the quality of opposition as Roy Jones Jr.

Bernard Hopkins was better then Jackson.

Benn wasnt close to the ability of James Toney let alone Roy. Benn struggled with Thulani Malinga.

Just admit that you dont know **** about boxing. Oscar didnt beat one elite fighter at welterweight. He lost to the 2 best. Never fought Forrest or Winky Wright.

Roy Jones resume is far superior. You're a ****ing ***git. Stop talking boxing you *****.

 

3 of Manny's last 6 victories have been against Mayweather opponents. Except Mayweather beat the fresher primer versions. 4 If you count Marquez. So its only Clottey who lost to Baldomir, Cotto who lost to clottey and Margarito who got destroyed by Mosley.


So is that your argument ******? Pacquiao has mostly beaten Mayweathers leftovers. Thats why Mayweather isnt elite and Pacquiao is.



So tell me this ******, whens the last time Manny Pacquiao has fought an opponent coming off a dominant or convincing victory?

Cotto looked horrible against Clottey. Mosley looked horrible vs Mora and dominated by Mayweather. Margarito horrible against Mosley looks like **** vs some scrub.


Compare that to Mayweather. When has Mayweather not fought an opponent coming off a dominating victory. Answer that *****.

 

And you have fitzsimmons at number 1 lol!


Somebody should shoot you.

 

no way people still arguing this....this is definitely not a waste of talent he has accomplished way to much with his craft!

How far people go to hate, its crazy!

 

Man, you are hilarious; you are like the stereotypical black man <i hate to be so blunt> as portrayed by english tv to pasty white men like myself, keep up the good work. *had to get that off my chest, no homo*

I'm just gonna reply everything on here cos it's easier.

Holyfield's resume across the 90's is better than any other heavyweights. He also won fighter of the year more than any other heavyweight that decade. He lost his final fight in 99 in a very close fight but up until that point he'd beaten everyone he faced and he had faced the best around.

Oscar was never the man? What the hell are you smoking man. I'll give you chance to look that up before I have to school you.

Hopkins went on to be better in the next decade I agree, but at the time jackson was arguably the best middleweight in the world. Toney was only one fight at smw, benn fight should have happened. I believe franky liles was "the man" at that time also.

Hmmmmm what else did you put? Oh yeah quality of opposition over the last 3 years.

Pac had just established himself p4p number 1 after beating marquez *interjection - this is the kinda fight you need to disagree with me over because #it's a good fight to watch unlike dirrell and froch# - and who says white men can't rap eh?* anyways yeah so he established himself number 1. He then went on a run vs diaz, oscar, hatton, cotto, clottey, margo and mosley. That's top 3/4 opposition from 130 to 147 (obviously not including margo). In the last 3 years he's beaten 6 top 4 fighters across 4 weight classes including 2 lineal champions. He beat cotto to claim number 1 spot and then took on clottey. Since then he's took the foot off the gas a bit and hopefully he takes on ortiz next. In that same timescale floyd has fought marquez and mosley. A lightweight and a shot fighter. Yes pac went onto fight them both but he's proven recently he is still the real deal.

As for my placing of fitz it is because i'm amazed at what he did. Could you imagine geale knocking out martinez, sturm, adamek, chambers and haye? Then kicking the **** out of wlad before being eventually stopped in the second half of the fight, but still going for the rematch before dropping down to school hopkins. That's like a modern day equivalent of what ruby did. It just amazes me how someone can be so completely dominant against the number 1 men from middle to heavy (jones and greb came close but missed out some key fights.) Anyways I know I shouldn't have him there but until someone else impresses me that much i'm keeping him there.

The only other fighter that makes me go "wow" is jeanette but I assume you know all about him right?

 

Stereotypical black man? Well your the stereotypical english ******. How about that?

Besides a win over Bowe, who ducked Lewis, Lewis beat the same level of opposition, and beat Holyfield twice. That alone makes him the greater heavyweight. You're an utter buffoon.


Lewis also beat Vitali, while he was well past his prime, who still dominates the division to this day. That alone equals Holyfields lone win over Bowe.


Bowe, and Lewis were better heavyweights ******. At no point was Holyfield considered the man for the decade.

He lost twice to Bowe. He was the inferior fighter to Riddick Bowe.

The only time Oscar was close to the man when he won a controversial over a shot coke addicted Pernell Whitaker. His next real opponent that wasnt over the hill was Ike Quartey, another controversial decision, then lost to Trinidad and Mosley in nearly back to back fights.

To be in the P4P top 25. You atleast have to beat one ATG. Name an ATG Oscars beaten.


Seriously you're a ****ing ******. Post this **** on the general or classic and see if you arent laughed at.


I'll be back to shred the rest of your silly ass post.

 

lol apart from the fact i'm engaged to a woman it's perfectly fine :good

lewis was a greater heavyweight overall i agree. but p4p holyfield was a better fighter IMO. i can't believe you think bowe is a greater heavyweight tho, you're shitting me there right?

jesus me. he beat chavez in 96 to become "the man" at 140. he beat whittaker in 97 to become "the man" at 147. he also beat castillejo at 2001 to become "the man" at 154. he would have been "the man" at 135 had him and gonzalez fought in that division instead of 5 pounds north.

and the atg's that oscar beat, 2 are chavez and whittaker. he also has good 2nd tier victories over hernandez, gonzalez, camacho and quartey as well as others.

i post my top 25 in the classic all the time, infact i post more in the classic than i do on general because general is filled with fans stuck in the modern era like yourself. fans who probably think floyd is the most skilled boxer ever. fans who assume SRR is the best p4p fighter around because of how mainstream he was. fans who think leonard is a top 5 lock. this forum is alright for general talk about the current scene but if ya really wanna discuss boxing it has to be in the classic.

i did a thread yesterday about marcel thil. i assume you know all about him right?

you also never answered about jeanette, you know who he is?

 

Tyson HAD no choice.

Mayweather on the other hand chooses to sit on the sidelines.

 

***git doesnt mean gay. It means you're a *****.

Your opinion doesnt mean jack ****. Lewis beat holyfield twice. Holyfield lost to the 2 best heavyweights of his era convincingly. Please just stop.

Bowe beat him twice. So um yeah. When somebody beats another man twice, I tend to consider him the better fighter. What ****ing world do you come from where you can lose to a guy in your same division, and still be better.

Im looking at the Ring champions at light welterweight. And Oscar's name is not on the list. Are you just making **** up now? I know you're a *****, I didnt peg you for a liar.

Looking at the ring welterweight champions and again Oscar isnt on the list. Infact, the only time Oscar won the Ring belt was when he beat Fernando Vargas. He's been ring champ the exact same number of times as Roy Jones Jr.


Except Roy Jones Jr has better victories and has beaten 2 ATG's while Oscar has beaten none.

Fail again ******.

 

Mayweather has far more talent than Slappy could ever dream of having. The book is still out on Dawson who also is less gifted than Mayweather.

Tyson did at least face most of the best of his era (Holyfield, Lewis). Even if he lost those fights, he was man enough to take them.

 

yea Mayweather has more talent, but he's achieved more as well