Has Wlad done enough to establish lineage?

In mid-09, who clearly deserved higher ranking? Pray tell.

Vitali Klitschko was only two bouts deep in his comeback. (Peter & Gomez)

David Haye only just moved up from CW and had one bout. (Barrett)

Chris Arreola was coming off what stands today as his best run. (Witherspoon, Walker, McCline)

Eddie Chambers was on the comeback trail after losing to Povetkin the year before, with only one decent feather in his cap out of four outings. (Peter)

Alexander Povetkin had beaten Donald, Byrd, and Chambers - but then regressed and fought two soft touches to waste eighteen months. (Sykes, Estrada)

Tomasz Adamek hadn't even debuted at HW yet.

So...who else, that was org-ranked at the time? John Ruiz, who'd lost a bunch in a row? Peter, whom Chambers had recently beaten? Dimitrenko, whom Chambers was about to beat? Valuev? Oquendo? Ibragimov? Solis?

Please, enlighten us.

 

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THe guy with the WBC belt on his waist.

I dont see how you can re-establish lineage without having the most respected Heavyweight belt on the line.

 

Something tells me you have more respect for that belt just because it supports your bull**** argument at the moment and in any other context it'd just be another one of the four somewhat legitimate straps out there sponsored by shitty sanctioning bodies that no fans of the sport like. What "something?" The fact that you're a Klitschko-hating Brittard, of course.

 

Even if he was, he retired for years, you can't keep it in retirement.

 

Check out The rings actual ratings up till two weeks before Wlad/Chagaev:

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=131890

 

It doesn't matter. Strictly speaking Holmes was never lineal neither.

It's quite clear he's the number 1 since 06 and that's all people need to worry about.

 

If Wlad isn't at this time then Vitali is, and Wlad will become the instant lineal champ when his brother retires.

The Lineal Championship has become a mess anyway. Even Briggs had it for a while for SNV's sake!

By the way, looking for the name Briggs (I coudn't remember it ), I saw something pretty disturbing in the BR HW rankings...

1. Vitaly
2. Wlad
What's that all about?! atsch

 

If I'm remembering correctly, the Ring stated that in some circumstances their title can be collected by the winner of a fight between the 1st and 3rd ranked fighters, this was the case because Wlad and Vitali would never fight each other. I don't think Chag was ranked above Vitali.

 

That's for the Ring Championship (the man in the division, real champ), and nobody (maybe just a few haters) debate that it's Wlad. Ok, somehow BR now, who magically switched their scores around (Wlad had the 1228 and Vit the 1107) so they probably just screwed up.

But this is about the man who beat the man, wich isn't simple anymore because of retirements with multiple belts and such.

 

Even if he's the lineal champ, it's well diluted since half the competition was taken by his brother. #1 fights #2 to be legit

 

Wlad is the MAN in the heavy, I don't give a damn about some stupid 'model' that tries to supplant reality based on some Procrustean parameters. It's like 'establishing' that the sun hasn't risen yet at dawn because it's still overcast by clouds.