Has Wlad done enough to establish lineage?

I personally don't think so, but he's more of a victim of circumstance than anything. If Vitali hadn't unretired, he'd be lineal.

 

Wladimir has done as much as he can, he's cleaning out the HW division and he's the closest thing to a linear champ we have. Winning The Ring Magazine HW title helped his cause.

 

I think he has, he beat the number 3 guy, when he was ranked number 1.....but chagaev being number 3, speaks volumes for how bad this division is....and in my mind vitali is better then wlad, but seems they will never fight.....

 

And Ruiz fought for Lewis vacant title against Holy, and Byrd fought for Lewis vacant title against Holy too I think?
Lewis had all 3 belts. 2 were stripped, 1 was a retirement. (Yes I know you've talked about that)

The WBC was just the last active belt he had. If Lewis had been stripped of the WBC belt, but kept fighting - he still would have been the lineal champ.

The WBC belt is irrelevant. After Vitali retired, and Rahman had the WBC belt, did that make him linear?

If you're saying Vitali was the linear champ due to that, you're saying all the holders of the WBC belt after that were too.

Irrelvant and fanciful. So do the guys who next beat Purrity and Brewster.

I agree with this, in that the Ring belt has ZERO to do with lineal champs. Neither became lineal just because they held that belt.

The WBC belt means nothing.
Ring belt means nothing. - in fact, Lewis means nothing in this argument, other than the fact that he retired after a win, so neither of those belts mean anything.

Lineage of victory over Wlad means nothing, as Wlad was only a WBO belt holder at the time.

Lineage of WBO belt is a real stretch. If you want to go down that path, then Lewis never had the WBC belt, he picked it up for the first time after Bowe dumped it, so the lineage of that title goes with Bowe, not Lewis.

I thought Emeretus was only a title given to fighters when they retired as champs? Surely if Vitaly loses his next fight, he'll lose that status?

IMO - and that of the majority, lineage only restarts when there is an undisputed champ. WBC, WBA and IBF. I can accept those 3 + WBO, I also understand those that only say WBA and WBC (in which case, Wlad has none, Vitaly has 1 )

Would Wlad beat Vitlay? Dunno. The only time I've seen Vitaly fight anybody almost as big as him, and as strong as him, he got his face turned into mincement.

Could Wlad stand and trade with Vitlay like Lewis did? Dunno, is his chin as good?

Thing is, Wlad - now - is probably a better fighter than the Lewis Vitlay fought. Lewis was very sloppy in that fight. But showed a strong fighter with size and reach could hit Vitlay.

Vitlays 'lean back' defence works against shorter, weaker fighters. But a big guy that can reach and hit - and is willing to take a punch to land a punch, makes it a dodgy way of defending.

In that fight, Lewis was willing to take 2 punches to land one of his own. And it worked. Could Wlad do the same?

 

No he hasn't. He hasn't won the WBA (Yep, I know that was shady) or the WBC.

There are no lineal rules that include "Unless your brother is fighting" clauses. You must beat everyone with a claim to the title, relative or not.

 

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never beaten anybody and also has been KO'd by 3 nobodies.

No other heavyweight great has been KO'd 3 times by nobodies.

Also it was far into his career. He was in his 30's. No exuses saying he wasn't prime or w/e.

:hi:

 

Please don´t call yourself boxing writer, this is just a disgrace for every real writer.

 

I'm writing about boxing, I'm a boxing writer.

I also call myself "Mr. Big"

And that is for reasons.

 

Yes and future fights/plans prove that he's all about confirming his #1 status.

 

Yes he has.

 

Vlad is very talented. He is cleaning out the heavyweight division. Don't worry about Vitali, he will retire before Vlad, so Vlad can fight for the WBC title later. Vlad will go down in the Boxing Hall of Fame.

 

20's he lost his fights, not 30's,,,,i think the rock an mcall were knowbodys till they beat lewis,,buster dougles was a knowbody till he beat tyson,

he just beat chagaev, who was undeafeated, an a belt holder with 2 defenses, who beat ruiz


i guessing a knowbody to you, is somone who is not on HBO,

 

How can ANYBODY say that he's done enough, when there is somebody else legitimitely wearing the WBC belt around his waist?

Ignore the WBA. Even if it didn't exist - you'd have 2 men with a portion of the heavyweight title, without ever previously having beaten the lineal champ.
Neither can claim to be the new lineal champ.

**** the fact that they're brothers, it's irrelevant.

 

I don't care if Wlad is "linear, lineal, undisputed, etc...."

just look at his body of work since 2005:
* Seven wins against Ring Top 10 hws in his last nine fights (7kos)
* Beaten three reigning beltholders in that time (IBF,WBO,WBA)
* Peter went on to win the WBC title
* Four undefeated fighters (Peter, Brock, Sultan, Chagaev)

People have done a lot less and been considered the champ in their division but whatever. Vitali will reitre first and if Wlad stays focused and his body holds up, he will accomplish his goal. Every win from here on out solidifies the man's standing as #1 in the division.