Hasegawa vs Montel not happening.

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  1. Stovepipe

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  2. mbandit

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    Montiel B+???GTFOH!!!

    Hasegawa has got to be the mos overrated boxer in boxing right now!!I mean really, who the hell has this guy beat?

    I went on youtube once noticed people praising him like he is some modern great and guess what, he ain't all that!!A very good fighter, yeah.Great?I don't think so....what is his signature win?And then I hear people saying some kind of ko artist when he only has like 12 kos in 28 fights?WTF?He's been fighting bums I tell you.....anyone can look great against bums.

    He lost to a guy that now has more losses than wins.....but he's supposed to tear Montiel a new one with ease?Montiel, a guy that his only two losses has been to very good if not great and proven fighters in Mark Jhonson and Jhonny Gonzalez.And guess what, myself and many people thought he won both, especially the Gonzalez fight, a fighter that was visibly bigger and stronger!!And Hasegawa is supposed to walk through him???GTFOH!!!

    I know you will use the Valdez fight as a measuring stick as to who did better, Valdez was outboxing Hasegawa until he got caught whereas Montiel was dominating Valdez until got cut.People that talk **** about that fight I bet have never seen it.Go check it out right now and see for yourself, and while your at it check Hasegawa/Valdez too.

    Listen, Hasegawa is a top 3 Bantamweight but he ain't no monster either.....a Montiel/Hasegawa fight is a 60/40 fight IMHO in favor of Montiel.He is the most experienced, better body puncher, more powerful puncher, more accurate, more technical and more versatile.Hasegawa is a southpaw
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    though and has a little bit more speed but that's about it....tell me what does Hasegawa do better?

    I think people just jump on bandwagons too fast without even knowing anything about a fighter!!
     
  3. rumour24tiger

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    hasegawa beat veeraphol, in an amazing fight. veeraphol is the thai equivalent to orlando canizales. similar up-and-down level of opposition, no controversial wins (unlike canizales), more natural at the eight than orlando, and able to sustain a better workrate and just as technically sound as the texan. the main difference is veeraphol didn't get loads of (or any, for that matter) US TV coverage, which can help buy you a top 5 p4p ranking.

    veeraphol is better than montiel. montiel is good. he has 2 terribly disappoining defeats where he didn't fight. but since then he had that war with melendez, proving he had heart. and destroying martin castillo, showing true power. montiel will be hasegawa's best challenger, if it happens. but he won't be his best opponent.

    no, perez was not outboxing hasegawa.

    hopefully, if the WBO don't go along with this fight, montiel might just vacate it, saving everyone a headache. the japanese did well to pick montiel. a guy who hasn't got so much time left, whohas lots of talent, and who badly needs to make his mark before he gets out.
     
  4. theunderdog

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    **** morel and **** the wbo title. in fact, montiel should fight hasegawa then the wbo can promote morel as their full champion.
     
  5. fytelod

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  6. rumour24tiger

    rumour24tiger Well-Known Member Full Member

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    sounds good to me. on both counts. boxing gets its big bantam fight. and penalosa and morel settle their debate. wouldn't seem "right" if morel got a straight title shot.
     
  7. Boxed Ears

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    Montel...Griffin? Williams?
     
  8. Kid Cuba

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  9. Kid Cuba

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    I'm going to repost my question:

    If Hasegawa does win the WBO title does it get stripped immediately or would he just not be able to defend it in Japan?
     
  10. rumour24tiger

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    if it happens HH won't be fighting for montiel's title.

    hopefully the WBO and bob arum don't stop a really good matchup from happening.
     
  11. puga_ni_nana

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    i want to see penalosa with either of the two. i say that he beats montiel but would lose to hasegawa in a decision.
     
  12. rumour24tiger

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    penalosa's at his best weight but i think he's a bit past-it now. they shouldn't have made those 2 fights with the hardest super bantam punchers de leon and juanma lopez.

    wouldn't mind darchinyan v penalosa for the WBO title, if it comes to that.

    i wish hasegawa had good contenders ranked for his title. like poonsawat, who has escalante (winner of a war v roman last night) and cordoba as the top 2 cotnenders fr his WBA 122-pound title.

    reckon poonsawat is the toughest fight out there for hasegawa.

    hopefully hasegawa-montiel happens. hasegawa is not getting credit for beating maludrottu, a top 10 world ranked bantam; and prospects vetyeka and malinga...but we do need to see him vs more proper world class fighters. montiel is a real talent. bit of a marquez style career (pre-barrera), proven skills but too cautious in the big fights. if only he'd grabbed that mark johnson opportunity the way hasegawa tore into veeraphol (johnson and veeraphol must be the 2 most skilled lighter weight fighters i've seen in the '90s). we've seen montiel more reckless and exciting - stopping melendez in a fantastic fight and destroying martin castillo. but his last 2 fights have been absolute farces and he has something to prove. props to him if he faces hasegawa.
     
  13. rumour24tiger

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    hasegawa has loads of title defenses. hopefully he just fights champs from now on.

    at 118 - montiel will do.

    at 122 - poonsawat & nishioka

    at 126 - chris john
     
  14. BigBone

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    He'd definitely vacate immediately, and rumor says the WBO is already planning a Morel-Donaire/Penalosa fight for the vacant belt. What happens if Montiel wins I have no idea, he might get stripped, but it's not a unification in that case. Well, if Hasegawa is vacating, it's not really a unification either, but let's forget about ABC policy: it's champion vs. champion, and that's the only thing that matters.
     
  15. Kid Cuba

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    Thanks.