Hassan N'Dam N'Jikam vs. Ryōta Murata II

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  1. N'Dam N'Jikam on points

    6.5%
  2. N'Dam N'Jikam by stoppage

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    0.0%
  3. Draw

    0 vote(s)
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  4. Murata on points

    74.2%
  5. Murata by stoppage

    19.4%
  1. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Hysterical shrill Soros client queen. Staff Member

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    Purse bids for the rematch were originally deadlined for July 7th but the DNA granted a fifteen day extension to allow Sébastien Acariès and Teiken time to come to terms that are agreeable to both parties. It is widely expected the venue will be in Tokyo and the date in early autumn.
     
  2. kk17

    kk17 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No one needs a rematch. Murata cleary won the first fight. Hope the fight isn't fixed this time
     
  3. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I thought N'Dam would win going in to the first fight, but it took a royal screwjob for that call to turn out right.

    I hope Murata stops him. Nothing against N'Dam, just don't want to see it even come down to the cards this time around.
     
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  4. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Hysterical shrill Soros client queen. Staff Member

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    Meh. It was pretty close (as in full of tight rounds with creditable work on both sides, even though mathematically scoring it RBR it should've definitely gone to Murata). If you felt it wasn't even close, that speaks to a bias of stylistic preference on the eye of the beholder.
     
  5. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Hysterical shrill Soros client queen. Staff Member

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    Rob Brant was originally in line for the winner of the first match but has opted to forfeit his mandatory spot to enter the WBSS instead of waiting on the rematch with his thumb up his ass.
     
  6. kk17

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    No disagree here that fight wasn't close 117-110 Murata is more than fair to Hassan.
     
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  7. aaalbert

    aaalbert Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This is one fight that wasn't remotely close in my opinion. Murata clearly won the fight and I'm sure the rematch will be the same.
     
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  8. Gerushio

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    IB p4p best poster on eastside but I gotta disagree that fight was not close. I think Ndam will survive the distance again Murata UD
     
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  9. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Hysterical shrill Soros client queen. Staff Member

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    Yeah a lot of people have expressed this opinion but I think it has mostly to do with people thinking Murata "looked the part" better...and I get it. His style is very pretty, that of a very textbook, classic refined technical boxer-puncher, a'la Mikkel Kessler. HNN is more of a raw athleticism type (a poor man's RJJ) and does more things you wouldn't call fundamentally correct. That said, he did effective work in nearly every round (though Murata did buzz him badly in a couple which I think further sways perceptions in the direction of Murata having dominated) and many of them were nip + tuck. If you look at it objectively, eschewing stylistic bias or the fallacy that "whoever got hurt a few times in an otherwise close bout in terms of clean effective connects, defense and generalship, must be the loser", you see a close fight where Murata dominated a couple of rounds and HNN dominated none but made the majority of them competitive enough to swing him several, maybe half (though not enough to justify 117-111 or whatever the wide score was for him).
     
  10. IntentionalButt

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    I urge everybody to watch Danyo vs. Zhuravskiy, which occurred a few days before this, and was a carbon-copy of the same EXACT conjunction of styles. Compare any round from Danyo vs. Zhuravskiy to any from HNN vs. Murata (save the couple where HNN got rattled) and tell me the latter weren't relatively MUCH closer.
     
  11. IntentionalButt

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    I dunno...had I not watched pretty much the same exact fight except with a MUCH worse decision that same week I might be on the robbery bandwagon along with seemingly the rest of the community...but to me it was Danyo vs. Zhuravskiy Lite, with a lot more tight, competitive rounds.
     
  12. Flamazide

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    I don't care about this rematch. Murata clearly won the first fight and should win the second.
     
  13. IntentionalButt

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    Has anybody crying robbery given it a 2nd viewing to make sure they weren't ignoring effective work by HNN in favor of Murata's also effective (but not more so necessarily in every round) but consistently prettier work?
     
  14. There Will Be Blood

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    IB had Horn blowing Pac out and now he's got N'dam running it close with Murata?

    :eek::Do_O
     
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  15. Drew101

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    Yes, and a lot of N'dam's effective work was done to Murata's gloves. You can make a case for N'dam getting to a handful of rounds based on out-working Murata in the first three and maybe shading the 10th and 12th, but the case made by Murata in several of those handful frames isn't as strong as the cleaner and clearly more effective work done by Murata.

    Even making that stretch to a handful involves a flight of fancy that would give me vertigo.
     
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