Hatton’s 5 best wins were more impressive than Calzaghe’s 5 best wins

List the wins.

 

I like both fighters but I think you're incorrect whichever Alt account you are.

If you can list the 5 best wins you think for each.

Also Hopkins continued to have success and win belts after the fight with Joe. Roy was passed his best but was losing to the top guys at the time.

 

Campbell?

 

This should be in the classic forum i think

 

Well that depends. Who are you taking as each guy's best five wins? You've mentioned two for Calzaghe and none for Hatton.

But let's assume something along the lines (chronologically) of:

Calzaghe's five best: Eubank, Lacy, Bika, Kessler, Hopkins

Hatton's five best: Tszyu, Collazo, Urango, Castillo, Malignaggi

I'd take Hopkins and Kessler over Tszyu and Collazo (I think you can quibble over who would be Hatton's second-best win, but let's not split hairs for the time being). Hopkins was seven years older than Tszyu, but was he really that much more past his best, if at all? Based on styles Hopkins' advanced age was less debilitating than Tyszyu's and he still and some good wins, performances and a few more title belts left in his locker. It was nowhere near a prime Hopkins, but it wasn't a totally washed version, either. Kessler is demonstrably better than a faded Castillo or Malignaggi, for me, especially as Paulie didn't turn up to fight and stank the place out against Hatton.

 

Ok if JC had wins over a faded Hopkins and Jones then what was Hattons win over KT ?

So lets see JC beat: Bika who at that time only had one loss.
He beat Kessler who he was the first person to beat hi!
Beat Jeff Lacy who everybody at the time was in love with. And it was Lacys first loss.
Beat Robin Reid who years latter lost a disputed decision to Ottke.
Beat Omar Shekia who was coming off a win vs Glen Johnson. And was 20-1 coming in.

Funny after Hopkins lost to JC he beat Pavlik AND
Pascal.

 

Hatton did not win more than 2 rounds in the fight.

 

This thread just convinced me that André Ward is the greatest ever at 168

 

Yes, but you could make the case that Jerry Quarry's best five wins, were better than Larry Holmes's best five wins.

Having said that, there was a whiff of greatness about Hatton briefly, and he deserved his Ring Magazine Fighter of the Year.

 

Calzaghe’s easier:

Hatton won at home against a faded Tszyu but did get a lot of help from the referee who let him do whatever. Calzaghe won on the road against Hopkins with one blind judge (Adelaide Byrd I think it was, not exactly Mrs. Integrity), also faded but not much more (of at all) than Tszyu.

Castillo a decent win for Hatton, but also faded. Collazo I felt could have got the W over Hatton. What do we have after that? Lazcano? Old Phillips?

I’d take Calzaghe’s wins over Kessler, Lacy, Eubank, Brewer, Mitchell over any of that.

It’s not close. Hatton was excellent for a short while but I do believe he was basically a shot unbeaten fighter by 2007. His lifestyle, the weight loss, plus his style etc;

 

Eubank 18 months prior had lost to Collins and had 2 keep busy fights while he launched himself to his next title challenge. (Collins at the time was considered 2nd best super middleweight in the world)

Mitchell had literally just lost a close controversial decision against Sven Ottke (who at that time was either number 1 or number 2 in the division depending on your preference) So regardless of your thoughts of the division at the time he was competitive in it, so deserves at least a B rating.

Not saying either were the very top of the division, but were still B fighters.

Kosta had been terribly inactive prior to Hatton, Paulie wasn’t a B rated fighter at that time struggled in his 2 of his previous 3 fights and was only a household name because Cotto didn’t finish him, Hattons team couldn’t pick a fighter better for Hatton than him.

Resumes aren’t dissimilar, I could see people seeing it either way.

 

Joe definitely comes out on top, as you could argue what his best 5 wins were. There could be any 5 from about 7 or 8.

Ricky deserves huge credit though, as he laid it all on the line.

He actively chased down a fight with Floyd, which culminated in him also getting a shot at Manny.

Those were the kind of fights that Joe would never have pursued and taken.


As I’ve said many times before, this is how I sum up both guys:

Ricky didn’t possess the skills to match his ambition.

Whereas Joe didn’t possess the ambition to match his skills.


Joe had the better wins, but Ricky deserves more credit.