Hatton is the greater fighter in my eyes than Joe Calzaghe? why?

Simply fighting someone doesn't impress me, especially when you're a pro-boxer getting paid to fight for a living. Even less impressive is getting humiliated by those opponents.

I don't see the likes of Williams, McBride, Douglas, etc. getting props for facing Mike Tyson, yet they beat him :hey

 

Douglas deserves credit for beating Tyson.

 

Does the fact he beat Tyson diminish Tyson's legacy, make Tyson nothing but a hype-job? :think

 

No way. Joe Calzaghe is a different level than Hatton. I like Ricky Hatton. He has a lot of guts, but you cannot compare him to Calzaghe who fought some of the best and beat them. No comparison.

 

A little like Iran Barkley and Thomas Hearns, although Barkley fought everyone and did beat some good fighters and win 3 titles in 3 divisions, still the fact is he beat a great in Hearns and then lost to Kalambay and Nunn and Benn at the same weight. That win against Tyson by Douglas does not make him great, and Barkley's win against Hearns doesn't either. Although Barkley has more a chance to be thought of as great or HOF. I do not know if he will make it in the HOF though.

 

Hatton is not worthy of carrying Calzaghe's jock strap.

 

Hatton didnt fight 40+ versions of Pac or PBF!

 

Never said he did. If simply "Facing the best" but getting your ass handed to you got you rated over "not ever facing the best (top p4p talents while they're top p4p talents", then Roger Mayweather would rate above Floyd Mayweather!

 

How can anyone argue Hopkins wasnt a top p4p guy? Or by top do you mean an actual number 1 p4p?

Granted Joe didnt fight the best version of Hopkins but Nard was a top 5 p4p at the time and still is today.

 

Calzaghe beat kessler who at the time was favor to beat him. I think that's a better win than beating an old kosta tzsyu. I give hatton props for coming to america earlier in his career than calzaghe did and fighting the best.

 

The odds were closeish if I remember rightly, but Calzaghe was the favourite to win that one.

 

Coming off the Winky Wright fight (big whoop of an accomplishment that was...a MW champ beating up a LMW is about as impressive as said LMW beating up an old inactive Ghanaian welterweight), where was BHop rated in the top 5? Not boxrec, nor Ring if memory serves...

He put himself back on the "top p4p" map with his destruction of Pavlik. He'd been on extended leave of absence before that. A long ass time passed between Tarver and Pavlik.

 

spot-on.

and this bollocks about Hatton having the stones to fight elite fighters, well he fraudulently manouvred himself into a positon to fight them and make undeserved big bucks. Everything was geared to con the general public and line his pockets.
He got destroyed then made excuses to try to hide the fact he was way out of his depth.
Hatton was one massive fraud all along. At least Calzaghe was a genuinely top class fighter. Just his resume is flimsy as **** and it took another hit with Ward dominating Kessler.

 

Joe isn't even on the same planet as Pac.

 

Hatton beat Tszyu who was coming off of a destruction of Mitchell despite having a long layoff. He was stripped by the WBA and WBC for the inactivity but he was still de facto UNDISPUTED jr. welter champion of the world. There was talk of him having a case for #2 P4P (he was a COMFORTABLE #3 at WORST) leading up to his fight with Ricky, where KT was also a HUUUUUGE favorite on the betting line.

Then the losses to Mayweather and Pacquiao, who were both #1 P4P at the time of their fights.

A 1-2 record against three fighters who were arguably either #1 or #2 P4P says a lot about the competition Hatton faced after getting rid of Warren in that they were IN THEIR PRIMES.

Calzaghe beat ONE P4P fighter his whole career...he also only FOUGHT ONE P4P fighter his whole career. Calzaghe fans point to Hopkins's subsequent win over Pavlik proving he was still in his prime, but was he really?

Pavlik had never fought at 170 before, much less 168 and was moving up TWO WEIGHT CLASSES to fight Hopkins, much like Marquez to Mayweather, where JMM found out the weight was too heavy to carry.

And no Calzaghe fans, beating an ancient Roy Jones who wasn't even P4P Top 40 when they fought counts.

Calzaghe's best win was over Kessler, and that win combined with his win over Hopkins gives legs to an argument that he was better than Hatton, but not by a landslide.

But in all honesty, this is a matter of quantity over quality, as Calzaghe is one of the rare exceptions where a fighter with so many insignificant wins can make the Top 100 ATG.