Hatton out of Ring Mag p4p top 10

but thats what he did, he hung in there and got floored 4 times by pac. MAB went 12 rounds with jmm and pac but he aint in the top p4p and he aint officially retired. so im just tryin to say that i feel winners should be in the p4p not losers or hang in there fighters. seems weird u can loose and still be up there when other fighters are wining and rated below

 

So the P4P list should be full of undefeated fighters?

 

fact is tho that he lost to pac and juarez is nothing he seriously shouldnt be mentioned as someone to be rated highly when you beat him.

 

when did i say the word undefeated? i meant like coming off a loss and being rated higher than some1 coming off a big win doesnt make sense alla hopkins and jmm and rafael marquez

 

He didn't beat Rocky Juarez though..it was a thurough demolition. A masterclass destruction even.

THAT is more impressive than just "winning" like Hatton did against Lazcano, assuming that's what you're arguing for.

 

I think you misspelled Mayweather in between the parentheses there buddy.

 

no, im not mentioning hatton. as he didnt come off a big win, or significant in the whole p4p scheme of things. and juareaz is a gatekeeper. never been a champion and always fallen short at the last hurdle

 

No surprise that Hatton is out of the top 10 he's certainly on the slide and has been since the Tszyu fight. Even if he beats Malignaggi I wouldn't give him much praise unless he totally batters him as Malignaggi is the best of a bad bunch at 140 at the moment.

I think it's a good list apart from Hopkins being too high and Cotto being too low.

 

Dude, when Pac will win against JMM by flooring him, when he'll be able to beat MAB who's near retirement, THEN you can say he's the true champ... for now, STFU.

 

MAYWEAHTER BEAT THE LIVING **** OUT OF THE BIG SHOW:thumbsup :yep:roflgood

 

For those who's got a problem with Hopkins' name in the top 10 rankings, here's his resume:

-10 years of MW title reign (okay, that's the past, but not one defeat)
-2 controversial/debated losses to Taylor
-a very convincing win over LHW The Ring champ and P4Per #11-13 Tarver
-Close win over P4P#3 Winky
-Close/debated loss to P4P#3 Calzaghe


P4P is based mostly on resume - talent is not enough, hard evidence is needed vs. top, and a close loss to a p4p-er can mean more than than a clear win over a regular good name (that's why 'losers' like the Marquez bros are on the list). Don't look at the boxrec record or the scorecards: they performed on an A to A+ level vs. top p4p-ers - it doesn't matter whether they got the decision or not... it's still a p4p-er performance.

Some examples: Cotto is a legitimate P4P-er, but he beat ZERO top10 P4P-ers at the time when he fought them. Mosley is his best win, but Shane wasn't even a top15 p4p when the 2 met and some even scored to fight for Mosley.

Or: Pavlik's P4P ranking is based solely on the Taylor win (2) since Miranda is just not an elite name... and Taylor earned that ranking based on two fights that could've gone in Hopkins' favor and maintained it with a controversial lucky draw vs. Wright, a close (controversial by some) win over Spinks...

Or: Mijares has faced ZERO Top10 or 20 P4P-ers, Arce, Kawashima and Munoz were solid wins but neither were THAT good...



Hopkins' is still very very underrated... if you totally sold on preferring the meaningful punches even if the opponent lands a lot more, you can make and argument that Hopkins is undefeated in 15 years! In fact, all the fights he lost were debated at least by some or by a large amount of experts and he still beat Winky and Tarver in between these losses. At 43 that's very impressive, tell me who do you want to put in his place...

Based on the same reason, sorry, Mijares fans (myself included), but Winky deserves a position at least until a year passes without a meaningful fight... his resume stands as this: undisputed LMW champ, shutout win over Tito at MW, controversial draw (close victory according to many) vs. undisputed MW champ, some easy wins and a very close loss to Hopkins at 175... tell me how's Mijares better without even facing the legitimate other top champ of the division...

 

ROFL!

Love the avatar bud!

 

I can see that. It was his win off of Tszyu that really catapulted him into it. Can't live off that forever.

 

The ring rankings are ridiculous ... how can Hatton who only lost 1 fight get out of the top 10 p4p.

 

Rafa Marquez lost 2 times in a row yet he's a top 10 p4p guy? ... Hatton lost to the #1 p4p guy that should grant something ... and he beat Lazcano by a virtual shutout ...

I don't get why Hatton gets such disrespect ...