Hatton to KO trainer?

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by ishy, Jul 14, 2008.


  1. JonOli

    JonOli Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Me to.

    I have a dream that man united fail to make Champions league qualification, and with their 900 million odd debt go into melt down. Oh would I like that!!

    ... unfortunately it is unlikely to happen.
     
  2. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    I have a lot of dreams - one day Leeds MIGHT get back into kick and rush footy - rather than the village green stuff we get atm.
     
  3. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Bollocks do they.

    Michael Carrick is a top class central midfielder. He is everything England needs. He passes the ball brilliantly, unlike "Mr. Hollywood ball" Gerrard. He can control and dictate a game, he's improved there. He can slide through balls no other England player could. Technically he's a dream. Oh and he intercepts amazingly, he's the footballing equivelent of Bernard Hopkins in his intelligence. I'd stick Gerrard on the right, or at least play him alongside Carrick. Benitez had the right idea, people were screaming at him to play Gerrard centrally, but ultimately he had his most productive season on the wing. He's a liability elsewhere because he does not have a functioning brain.

    Mascherano don't make me laugh, the guys a third central defender. Alonso is an inferior Carrick, but still good, in that he's an inferior Carrick.

    Lampard is pathetic for England. He is limited. Unless you have a system that suits him perfectly he is redundant.

    Essien and Scholes are the only midfielders on a par.
     
  4. JonOli

    JonOli Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Thats even more unlikely then mine.;)

    Hey I'm a West Brom fan, and things are starting to look a bit glum for us season:?. Still, on the bright side, were unlikely to do a Leeds.:D
     
  5. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    Mascherano I will give you - just a lesser version of David Batty to me.

    Scholes is past his peak, but Essien is far superior. If you play Ballack in his Germany position he schools Carrick badly.
     
  6. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Scholes is of course past his peak, but its like Hopkins being past his peak. He's still top class. He plays deeper now as he ain't got the legs, just like Hopkins hugs a lot, but ultimately he dictates games, they are both generals. And if you threw a 2 pence coin 50 yards he could land it on the spot.

    Essien is a monster, the guy can do everything. He's physically superior to Carrick, but technically not quite as good. I'd edge towards Essien, United should have had him while there was a window of opportunity.

    Regardless, England need to either stick Gerrard out on the wing if they insist on playing Lumpard, and put him alongside Carrick. Or my preference, drop Lumpard, play Carrick and Gerrard with Walnut and Young.
     
  7. onourway

    onourway Haye KTFO1 Wlad Full Member

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    Scholes is past it, he's had more bad games in the last 2 years than all his career before that.

    Gerrard's definitely better than Carrick. Carrick is functional, solid....Gerrard's a match winner. You always go with a match winner over somebody like Carrick. Really, Fletcher can do what Carrick does.

    Fabregas does everything Carrick does, but has much more ability. If you want to see through balls, then watch this guy. Carrick slides nice passes into the front mens feet, but it's very rare he actually cuts open a defence.

    Lampard's a 2 time England player of the year, he really isn't as bad as people claim he is. He's probably been the best player in The Premiership this season, again, we're talking about a match winner vs a functional player in Carrick, I'd go with Lampard everytime.

    Even Mikel's been better than Carrick this season!
     
  8. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    I would have Essien in any team of mine, **** it get him to marry an English lass and qualify on residency.....

    I have always been a big fan of Giggs as well.

    Best England team ATM, for me............

    GK. Someone else :lol:
    RB. Tough one - Wes Brown has done well but ain't a right back
    LB. Cole - grudgingly
    CB. Terry - ditto
    CB. Ferdinand
    RW. Walcott
    LW. Cole
    CM. Gerrard
    CM. Barry - soz I am a big fan
    FW. Rooney
    FW. Somebody else - not Owen :lol:

    I would try to get Carragher in there somewhere, but Terry and Ferdy have a good understanding.

    Carrick and Ashley Young just miss out.

    One kid to watch is Fabien Delph - shortly to be leaving Leeds (surely anyway) for a top PL club. Certainly best player outside the Prem.
     
  9. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Gerrard is better than Carrick at different things. Carrick can play alongside anybody in a midfield 2 and he's effective. Gerrard is a final third player I'm afraid, he's not complete like English fans wish him to be. He does not receive the ball at the back and dictate play. He does not retain posession, he'll try and hoof it 50 yards with the outside of his left boot to the player resembling a dot. But yeah, he's great in the final third, and for that reason he'd be fantastic with Carrick doing his defensive work and sliding the ball through to him and the attackers. Gerrard will win more matches when he's got somebody like Carrick that will allow him to be a match winner. Not useless drones like Lumpard and Barry.

    Fabregas can't play for England.

    Lampard is **** for England. He's always been good for Chelsea, but they accomodate him. England don't need to do that when they have Gerrard, who basically does everything better than him. Play Carrick and let Gerrard play like Gerrard, instead of a shitter version of the Gerrrard that plays for Liverpool.

    Mikel, don't make me laugh. The best thing he's ever done is line United's pockets with 12 million for doing nothing.
     
  10. onourway

    onourway Haye KTFO1 Wlad Full Member

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    I brought Fabregas into it in terms of a discussion when you say Carrick is one of the top 3 midfielders in the league. Same goes for Mikel.

    Carrick is nothing to write home about. He's a good player, but not beyond that.

    There are a lot of midfielders who have far more influence on their teams results, Essien, Gerrard, Lampard, Fabregas, Barry, Alonso and a lot with more talent, Ballack, Deco, Scholes (the guys in the previous list are more talented too)
     
  11. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    The keepers are beyond woeful. If Foster was getting a game he'd be a clear choice. Maybe Kirkland, or Green isn't that bad despite his ******ed moment in an England shirt. I say Kirkland. Just please, not them clowns James or Carson. It's like a disaster waiting to happen anytime the ball is within 35 yards of them.

    I would put Rafael at RB :fire

    Barry out for Michaele Carricko.

    Thinking about it Cole did do a good job on the left. Infact, he was one of the few England players that has not averaged 4/10 for the last few years. I'd like Young somewhere, England need some pace. I can't help feeling Walnut is still a bit **** and inconsistent despite his hat-trick, Young on the right.

    Who partners Rooney is a dilemma. There is always the underlying feeling Heskey is a bit rubbish, but he has been somewhat effective. When there are no other clear choices I guess you have to say he stays in. Especially when Rooney seems to be most effective with him, thats the important thing.
     
  12. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Yeah, and guess what Carrick's lack of influence only guided his team to successive league titles and a European cup. I suppose he was a sitting passenger. People really need to watch more carefully. The ball does not magic its way into Ronaldo's path. Defensively he is part of the unit that conceded very few last season, despite having loads of attacking players to cover. When he gets the ball he retains posession and gives it to the "talented" players.

    You can have your Lampards and Gerrards, yes they put it in the net, but I say Carrick helps England at the back and improves England's attacking play by getting the "talented" players the ball where they can do damage. At the moment some of the buildup is so slow and pedestrian, Carrick cuts out the middlemen. It's been proven England only need one of Lampard and Gerrard, and Gerrard's better. The signs are there in the Germany game. Only a friendly, but England fans take note. Michael "The Messiah" Carrick is here to save the day, if Sven, I mean Capello lets him.
     
  13. Beeston Brawler

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    I like Walcott, but his inconsistency is annoying, as you point out.

    Heskey IS rubbish - there is no question about that. All a team should do is just not mark him, concentrate on the other guy.

    You need to have Joe Cole in there - the one guy in the side that can turn a game.
     
  14. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    More people will turn games when Michael Carrick plays. For a start they won't be turning it from a loss to a draw, or a win to a draw, because The Messiah will plug the gaps at the back.

    Then when he does that, he'll pick up the ball and thread it through. He is as graceful as a Bentley car. Gaz Barry is like a Ford Focus in comparison. And you don't need 2 Ferraris like Lumpard and Stevie Me.
     
  15. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    Now you are trolling.

    Sorry.