Hatton = Vargas?

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  1. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Are they comparable? I see a lot of parallels myself.

    Both very good, successful, well regarded fighters, but both fell short of actual greatness.

    Both gave their all every time out, but usually lost and were brutally KO'd in their most important fights against the elite fighters.

    One notable difference being that Hatton actually did manage to win a big one, against Tszyu.

    Interestingly, both had a close, controversial decision win over an unheralded technical southpaw on the way up (Vargas against Winky, Hatton against Collazo), that raised some questions about both guys' limitations.

    After losing officially for the first time, each against a top P4P rated fighter, they never fully regained 100% of their form or reputation. They each won a couple of fights, but showed some vulnerabilities. Then they got themselves pumped and ready and gave it one more go against an elite fighter, but it again ended with them being brutally KO'd.

    Vargas of course went swiftly downhill after being KO'd the second time, and it seems very likely the same could happen to Hatton if he ever fought again - though most people don't seem to think he should even fight again in the first place.

    As said Hatton did beat Tszyu and establish himself as the lineal champ of a weight class, which is a bigger single achievement than Vargas ever had, but on the flipside Vargas was never blown out to the extent that Hatton was last night. Moreover, I think Vargas put together a better run of wins at his peak (ie: Quartey, Winky, Campas, Marquez), whereas Hatton had the bigger single win against Tszyu.
     
  2. Club Fighter

    Club Fighter Boxing Addict banned

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    For some reason I seem to respect Vargas more . . . I guess it's because he never wrestled and actually had some discernible skillset.


    BTW, nicely done.
     
  3. slamhound

    slamhound New Member Full Member

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    Really good comparison. Both fighters lost their confidence after their respective first defeats.
    I miss Vargas. He was more entertaining to watch than Hatton.
     
  4. asero

    asero Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    somehow agree...but hatton is a hall of famer while vargas is borderline
     
  5. BobDigi5060

    BobDigi5060 East Side MMA Full Member

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    Hatton would have to comeback and win another belt to rank higher.

    Vargas was a lot more competitive in every fight he lost except the Sugar Shane rematch.
     
  6. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    What kind of messed up logic is that? :huh

    Hatton has 4 world titles at 2 weights.

    Vargas has 2 world titles at 1 weight.

    Hatton defended his lineal title at Light-Welter 6 times.

    Hatton has wins over two P4Pers, Vargas has none.
     
  7. Govanmauler

    Govanmauler Boxing Addict Full Member

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    a good comparison , tough guys who couldn't quite beat the very best.
     
  8. HyperBone

    HyperBone Silverback Gorilla Full Member

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    :huh
     
  9. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Its not a good comparison in the slightest. Hatton spent years defending the WBU against no hopers. Vargas established himself on the world scene as a legitimate prospect and went on to win a legit world title before getting thrown into the lions den with boxings best fighter to date back then Tito. Vargas beat the likes of Campas Winky Raul Marquez and Ike Quartey all in there primes before he got roasted by Trinidad. Nothing on Hattons resume is even close to that.

    There is more of a comparison between a guy like Thomas Damgaard and Hatton. Both spent years beating up nobodies and by he time they stepped it up it was simply too late. Hatton did well with the limitation he had in the early days against B and C level fighters. But that fundamentally never changed. Vargas on the other hand was in the ring vs studs like Shane Oscar Tito and Mayorga. Everytime Vargas threw down and went into the later rounds. Hatton on the other hand was comprehensively shown up outboxed and knocked out. That never happened to Vargas.
     
  10. BobDigi5060

    BobDigi5060 East Side MMA Full Member

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    Vargas won a world title from Campas the year after turning pro. He fought stiffer competition early on and throughout his career when Hatton was dickin around in England until Tszyu was at the end of his career. They have similarities but I say Vargas was more competitive in his day.
     
  11. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    HOF based on what? Shot Castillo? Shot Tsyzu? 15 defences of the WBU and all the trash inbetween? Honestly this forum is a joke sometimes.
     
  12. asero

    asero Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    common, hatton is in the p4p for 5 years...vargas was only in the list for a year...

    even buffer mention that pac and hatton the HOF bound
     
  13. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    You seem to like stats. Quit surfing boxrec and examine the people he fought. Collazo for the WBA? You have to do way better than that. Maussa for the WBA? Again thats nothing more than marking time. The IBF vs Urango and Kostya. Urango WHO????!?!?! As for this lineal title get that linear crap out of your head. Look at his OPPOSITION. Paulie? The worst belt holder in 140lbs history? Lazcano, a former lightweight who was in semi retirement with a 18 month layoff who nearly had Hatton KO'ed in the later rounds? Honestly thats some really really bad reaching. There is NO comparison between Vargas and Hatton. Anyone who see's one clearly hasnt been watching boxing long enough or has an extremely short memory.
     
  14. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    Hatton won more world titles, at more weights, defended his lineal title 6 times, with wins over two of the P4P elite. He had a significantly better career than Vargas, IMO. Whether P4P he was a better fighter is open to debate.
     
  15. BobDigi5060

    BobDigi5060 East Side MMA Full Member

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    No way bro read the post above and think about Hatton's opposition and at what stages in there careers those fighters were.