Hatton vs. Cotto - Resume

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  1. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    I feel some noobs need to be taken to school on this particular issue as I am sick to death of hearing about how much of a greater 140lb fighter Hatton is, and how he would have easily beaten him at 140. There also seems to be an assumption Hatton has a superior resume, I don't know whether this has come about since Cotto lost. Feel free to correct me and present some names for these lists if you feel I've made a startling omission or inclusion either way. I will try my best to include world class fighters at the weights for each, and also give an idea of where they've been at during each stage of their careers.

    In date order...

    Cotto :
    (whilst alongside Hatton)
    Carlos Maussa
    Lovemore N'dou
    DeMarcus Corley
    Ricardo Torres
    Paulie Malignaggi
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    (post 140)
    Carlos Quintana
    Otkay Urkal
    Zab Judah
    Shane Mosley

    Hatton:
    (whilst alongside Cotto at 140)
    Vince Phillips
    Kostya Tszyu
    Carlos Maussa
    ((Luis Collazo at 147))
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    (Cotto post 140)
    Juan Urango
    Jose Castillo
    Juan Lazcano
    Paulie Malignaggi

    Tell me if I'm missing something here, but is Hatton's 140lb resume even that much superior to Cotto's as people assume since he's considered more of a "career" 140lber?

    I don't see much in that at all. I lean towards Hatton based on the stand out Tszyu win which trumps all of Cotto's wins. Looking at their next wins, Cotto actually beat two of Hatton's best 140lb scalps before he did, Maussa and Malignaggi. He beat Ricardo Torres, respected beltholder up until recently. Phillips was a corpse, Urango completely untested against anybody other than Hatton where he was schooled, I'd rather have N'dou and Corley who have shown what they are about at world class.

    Then we add in since the 140 days, Cotto takes Hatton to the cleaners including Judah and Sugar Shane as well as other capable welterweight foes Urkal, and one time Williams conquerer Quintana, against Lazcano and Collazo, we could also include Castillo in this period, shot as he has since proven.

    There we have it. My theory is that Cotto's resume is superior in depth and quality to that of Hatton's, but Hatton has the stand out win.

    What say you?
     
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  2. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    How many people have said Hatton would "easily win"? I think Hatton would win at 140 but certainly not easily. At 140 Hatton was older, more experienced and probably prime from 2004-2007, while Cotto was still pretty green. Any later than that then Cotto was struggling at the weight and Hatton would have had an excellent chance from that angle.

    Good luck "schooling the newbs" though.....;O)
     
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  3. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Thanks. Plenty of noobies have said such funny things in the General in my time. One such noob tonight thinks its laughable that Cotto's resume is considered better. He was British, so I thought I'd post it here, and besides more thought provoking discussion is likely to take place here.
     
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  4. mattress

    mattress Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hatton's, I'd say, is better at 140 but not overall.

    With respect to them fighting at 140, I think it would be a pretty even fight but Hatton winning. At 147, it's Cotto, with ease.
     
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  5. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    The poll and the first paragraph are 2 different questions. I'd dispute whether Urango is a poorer win than Corely (who rocked Cotto IIRC?) and N'Dou at that point in their careers. I think Cottos record is better than Hattons all things considered but not at 140, I think Hatton beats Cotto at 140 (I think Hatton did better against common opponents Maussa and Paulie, for whats thats worth?) from 2004 to 2007 and after that Cotto couldn't make 140 so its a moot point.
     
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  6. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    We could easily say Cotto beat those opponents up, nevermind the style of victory. Which Cotto does have a habit of doing, he seems to damage his opponents. I hear stories of them pissing blood for weeks in press releases.

    I'm more interested in overall resume, but 140 resume also. I don't think there is a lot in the 140 resume when its widely assumed there is. Hatton, but not my much at all.
     
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  7. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    Resume in general Cotto. Resume at 140 Hatton. Styles makes fights and all that but Hatton took care of Paulie better than Cotto did (I don't mean getting the KO but the manner of the win) and Maussa just as easily. So say Cotto beat up or softened up these guys for Hatton is guessing and not really provable either way.

    Cotto was rocked quite a few times at 140 and also employed a few dodgy tactics to get wins but seems to get a freebie on them, whereas Hatton gets pulled up for the same things by certain people.
     
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  8. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    It is preferable to beat a fighter when he is undefeated, and not the leftovers of the fighter we are directly comparing him against. I don't mean to sound like Rafa benitez...but..."FACT". I take your points on board regarding style of victory.

    Come on, don't try and use dodgy tactics with me, and with Hatton. You know that isn't even funny. These definitely are not "facts", and are subjective.
     
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  9. mattress

    mattress Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The term 'leftovers' is a little unfair, no?? You sound like a 'Hatton-hater' to me.
     
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  10. girv

    girv Gatekeeper Full Member

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    I would like to see them in together at a catchweight, maybe 143 just to see.

    A lot would depend on whether Cotto could get down below 147 which Im sure he could as he is not that big a welter.

    I think Cotto would still win unless Margarito has ruined him.

    As for records as others have already said Hatton has the biggest single win but Cotto has the stronger record overall.

    Sorry I hate the word resume - and this is the Brit Forum :good
     
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  11. mattress

    mattress Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Personally, I hate all that 'catchweight' crap. Divisions should be set in stone - they would have to fight at 140OR 147.
     
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  12. girv

    girv Gatekeeper Full Member

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    Fair enough at 140 Hatton wins by stoppage over a weight drained Cotto. At 147 Cotto is too big and strong for Hatton and grinds him down for a late stoppage.
     
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  13. mattress

    mattress Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I agree totally:good
     
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  14. JonOli

    JonOli Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    At 140 alone, on resume and achievements, it's Hatton - and the Tszue win is a major factor.


    Ricky Hatton 44-0

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    Hatton at 140: 44 - 0

    44 wins no losses - best wins at 140...

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    Cotto at 140: 27-0

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    Going on both their whole careers 140/147- I think resume wise they are pretty close - I'd perhaps give it to Cotto.

    Having said that, Hatton may get stick for beating the versions of Kosta, and Castilo he fought, but neither Mosley, nor Judah were near their best when Cotto met them. Also, apart from being a big puncher, how good is Torres really? I fail (at this moment in time) to see how he should be ranked significantly above someone like Urango even.
     
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  15. faisal

    faisal Hoolios daddy Full Member

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    the facts speak for themselves, the malanaggi cotto fought was a much better version then the one hatton dealt with lets not kid ourselves,
    a few of the fighters cotto fought at 140 were contenders who later went on to become champs hatton never fought any live opponents so its hard to make a case for him when he stepped up to 147 to face a collazo he was almost TKO'd,
    kostay tyszu is the only fighter on his cv thats worth a mention, i wont take anything away from hattons victory, tyszu was still a solid fighter
     
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