Hatton vs. Cotto - Resume

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  1. ishy

    ishy Loyal Member Full Member

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    I think Cotto stands a far better chance against Floyd than Margarito would, but that's just my opinion.
     
  2. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    I wouldn't give either that much of a chance.

    Cotto would most likely do better, styles make fights and all that - but I could see Mayweather stopping him late, or winning clearly on points.

    Margarito would make Floyd comfortable for a short time, before he is figured out..... and boxed silly. Wide UD.
     
  3. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Margarito would not even get near Floyd. All of his strength, stamina and chin are just useless attributes if he can not put it to use in an offensive way. He'll finish the fight feeling unhurt, like he's not even been in a battle, but he'll be on the wrong end of a 119-109 decision.

    Cotto has the speed and technical pressure (especially the jab, Mayweather always showed this susceptibility) to put something on Floyd and get to him. I would see Mayweather winning it down the stretch, 8-4 or so.
     
  4. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    I pretty much agree with you in full about Margo - but whilst Floyd could keep Hatton away a little with his straight right hand.... Margo would just walk him down.

    I aren't saying he will do enough to win rounds, but still......

    Cotto.....

    I think maybe a little wider (than your 8-4), his jab is almost a straight left which Floyd might be able to telegraph. His stamina is also suspect, he may fade late trying to chase Floyd and be stopped on his feet.....
     
  5. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    I can't really see Floyd doing enough to achieve that. Margarito put a sustained beating on Cotto from the middle period onwards. With Mayweather playing the matador to Cotto's bull, I really don't see him wearing Cotto down very badly, and his shots are not that powerful in single bursts. Floyd only wore Hatton down because Hatton is intent on trying to tie up and fight inside. Mayweather outfought him on the inside, sometimes using dirty tactics, and Hatton was also more reckless than Cotto due to his frustrations.
     
  6. trotter

    trotter Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The records at 140 are pretty hard to split overall.

    After Cotto moved up he impressed with his wins against Quintana, Shane and Zab. But he lost to Margy, comprehensively in the end, despite putting in arguably his best performance.

    Ricky was a bit unlucky that Castillo had faded by the time they fought; when that fight was set up nobody knew Castillo was fading, he'd just flattened Corrales albeit weighing in too heavy.

    Claiming Torres as a good win for Cotto is double edged - he was within a twats hair of losing. And he had a run of non-punchers after that scare - Urkal and Paulie are not that impressive - they were punchbags on the night.

    Claiming Paulie was a lesser fighter when he faced Ricky is ludicrous seeing as he had no belt when Cotto fought him but by the time Ricky did, he was a belt holder and recognised no.2 in the division.

    All in all it's tight, I would possibly edge towards Cotto even at 140 as his opposition was marginally better on a consistent basis.


    Head to head, as Gaz outlined, Hatton was more mature 2004-2006 ish and Cotto was dead at the weight for the last year or so - the timing for the fight would never have favoured Cotto.
     
  7. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    Torres is over-rated. He was taken the distance by the patsy who Witter beat up in his first defence.

    After Witter beat the **** out of him.
     
  8. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Overrated by whom? He was a world champion at least, pushed Cotto, beaten Holt another champion once and then was unlucky in the rematch.

    That is a lot more than Juan Urango has ever done, and thats held up as a quality win for Hatton, in what was a horrible fight.
     
  9. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    Not by me it isn't.

    If the second half of the fight had mirrored the first, perhaps so - but it barely scrapes into his top 10 wins.
     
  10. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Shall I remove Urango from the list in that case? ;)

    That just really highlights the sort of resume Hatton actually has underneath the win over Tszyu. It's typical of what I was saying, Cotto has beaten far more world class opponents. I was being generous including Urango as I felt almost sorry for Hatton when I drew up the lists. Maussa is barely world class too, I shouldn't have included him for either. He had one day in the sun when he won the lottery against the only fighter he could ever have beaten for a strap.
     
  11. trotter

    trotter Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Exactly

    Urango has also held a belt, I couldn't separate him and Torres by much at all, personally... time will tell

    Torres has a decent punch but he's always seemed a bit small and frail to me

    Hatton in the first six against Urango was utter quality, Urango's slowness helped of course but Hatton was razor sharp.
     
  12. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    I think only a fool would argue that Hatton's resume doesn't lack depth of TOP names.

    He has more B-/C+ level wins than pretty much any fighter around.....

    Cotto's 140 resume isn't all that though - on the whole he has an edge over Hatton beyond question.
     
  13. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    It's not a great 140lb resume he has, but its solid enough. He's beaten a couple of world class type gatekeepers that have given good fighters trouble like Corley and N'dou, one awkward guy and one real tough nut to crack there. Malignaggi of course, future world champ. Likewise Torres. And then Maussa back when Cotto was a newb. And he did that all within a short period. That is not a bad resume for a guy whos legacy will likely be defined by his work at 147.
     
  14. trotter

    trotter Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Cotto at 147 is no great shakes under closer scrutiny

    Shane, Urkal and Zab (well?) past their best days

    Quintana - a very good win against Williams... then Williams gave his head a shake and blew him out in a round in the rematch

    He did look good against Gomez I guess and if he beats Jennings well it's game set and match


    I tend to think Cotto has a number of good names which are still good wins but he's getting credit for name value too
     
  15. GazOC

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    Zab looks good on a record and can look amazing in spurts for 4 or 5 rounds but whens the last time he beat a top fighter.