By the same token, how do we know Quintana can't do better in a rubber match? How do we know he wasn't just caught cold? It is far easier to justify a first round KO being a fluke rather than a 12 round schooling, which Williams did get in the first fight. Either way, it showed Quintana's ability as a fighter, and this was Cotto's first fight at welter! Then Urkal at one point was considered respectable. He was past it, but still not a bad second scalp to have. He took a step up again against Judah, we all know how talented he is. He was a top ranked welter. Sugar Shane was considered a top 3 welterweight, period. He wasted some time with Gomez and then fought Margarito. Cotto crammed all this, as well as his 140 resume in before he was 28, in 32 fights. You can discredit anybodys wins like that, Castillo was old and past it in my opinion, Tszyu had seen better days. But ultimately, he's fought so much world class opposition its impressive. I'm sure he'll continue to do that, and he'll end up with a deep competition level, win or loss.
It is easier to justify a 1 round KO as a fluke than a 12 round win but its also easier to justify winning the second fight decisively as "setting the record" straight after a below par performance in the first fight.
All the justifying usually calls for a rubber match for firm proof. I'm sure Williams would beat him again, and I do tend to believe Williams has improved and particularly unperformed, but it does not take away from the fact Quintana must be a world class fighter to do what he did.
Williams would beat Quintana in a rematch, but I can't see one happening. Willaims is after bigger things (at a heavier weight), theres no real call for the fight from fans who seem to take the "setting the record straight" opinion and somebody will beat Quintanta sooner rather than later and nix the fight all together.
Agreed. An unheraled fighter like Quintana does not have the same leverage Williams had to get a rematch. I'm not even sure he's called for the fight that much. Still, I was most impressed with Quintana, and I'm sure he can get back into things and mix it at the world class level. I remember taking Williams in the rematch when everybody was doubting him, and the polls were running well in favour of the Puerto Rican. Now people are talking about him as potentially completing feats to match Henry Armstrong. Funny how these things work.
I was sure of Williams in the rematch but, then again, I was also sure of him in the first fight!! It was just a sloppy performance, thats not to take anything away from Quintanta who is a world class fighter but the win over Willaims on his record flatters his ability IMHO.
Hattons win over tszyu was a good win but its hard to ig nore the fact Kostya had only fought a couple of rounds in about 3 or so years beforehand
No chance, I bet TFFP has already written his piece on totally discrediting a win - even though he tips pac to win! BettyS tipped Tszyu to bash up Hatton, and he's still writing KT was shot to **** threads to this day - nearly 4 years later.
That's because when he did fight (which admittedly wasn't that often) he kept knocking people out. Perhaps people would hold the win in greater esteem if Zoo hadn't knocked his opponents out so quickly before he met Hatton, and laboured a few points wins... but then people would be saying Zoo couldn't even take out... etc etc... *He'd fought 21 rounds in 3 years - not many admittedly*
Yeah... I'm not knocking him. Beating Shane in particular was a good win. I think he's fought good competition, and I think Arum has matched him well. I'm just picking apart his record as you've done to Hatton's. The more I look at it though the more obvious these guys are both top level fighters, with all-in-all similar records at this stage. They both failed their ultimate tests too, sadly, because I like both fighters.
in all fairness,hattons loss at welter was to the p4p boxer,he got stopped,but so did cotto to a lesser boxer than hatton at the same weight(not saying margo's bad ofcourse) even the loss looks better on hattons record! has cotto been calling out mayweather,if he has he been whispering as i said before both are top boxers,i just think hattons that bit better,maybe i fancy him,maybe i want some man love of him though
Yeah but he had only fought 3 rounds in 2 and a half years as he stepped in with Ricky. It was a great win for Hatton and KT put up a great fight but I doubt he was in his prime at the time. Cotto imo would have beaten Hatton at both weights. perhaps the only chance Hatton would have had was right at the end of Cotto's 140 reign when the weight was becoming ridiculously tough to make and causing him to perform at about 40%.
I think Cotto has the better depth of wins, but Hatton has the stand out names in Tszyu and Castillo. Cotto for me is the better fighter with the better resume though. ps im sick to death of the word 'resume'...
Yeah TFFP and certain others are very, very guilty of using Americanisms, they really ought to stop. It's hard in a US dominated sport not to pick these things up but we should try. To me using excessive Americanisms is the ultimate in 'nuthugging' - as they would say
If that really is the case, then they obviously have serious mental issues. I know Betty has become a Joke of legendary proportion for his dismissal of Tszyu ,only after tipping him to beat Hatton! I can't see how anyone of sound mind will be able to discredit Hatton if he does beat Pac......even TFFP.