Hatton wants another Juan in test before Khan showdown

Pacquiao was at 142 when he beat DLH, who coincidentally was at 145.

 

Put Pacquiao in with Marquez now see what happens. Besides, styles make fights I couldnt see Marquez taking out Tszyu or Castillo in the style Hatton did. Achievement wise their not seperated by too much.

 

Eh! wrong go watch the fight again. Both DelaHoya and Pacquiao weighed the same on fight night. The commentators were even shocked when they found that out. Also DLH was originally at 154. So he was weight drained for that fight.

Floyd wasn't weight drained. He was at his natural weight at 145, maybe even more. So Marquez fought a guy who out weighed him. While Pacquiao fought a guy on the same playing field. Maybe he had an advantage since DLH was weaker than usual because of the weight loss.

 

May I ask you when was the last time Mayweather had a size advantage on an opponent, especially the size of which was the difference against Marquez (I'd say 8 to 10 lbs)?????????

Try never......I actually dont think Mayweather has ever had a size advantage against any of his opposition......so there is certainly things that a fighter can get away with when he faces a fighter that much smaller.

Yeah, I'd say there was things he did against Marquez that say he could'nt do against a lesser fighter like say Zab Judah......and its precisely related to the size disparity.


He's lost speed, power and fluidity hey???
Try asking Casamayor and Diaz who up to they met JMM, had never been stopped!:yep

 

marquez cant fight at these weights. hatton is a bigger and better juan diaz. look what diaz did to marquez, hatton would maul him alive.

 

Unfortunately if this fight is ever made it will be on Hatton's terms so I can't see Marquez winning. With a proper ref Marquez wins easily.

 

draw

 

marquez by decision.not to one sided but marquez by a decent margin.:bbb

 

Agreed.

 

Marquez is too good for hatton and stops him late, that is if the floyd fight hasn;t damaged him which i don't think it will. Marquez will be pretty strong at the weight since he put on muscle to fight at WW so once he trims down he will be a gud light WW.

 

Thank you for re-affirming my point. Floyd had a nice size advantage against a man who was clearly fighting out of his element in a weight class not his own, nor was able to effectively perfrom.

But the SIZE advantage has very little to do with Mayweather's performance against JMM. It has more to do with how the jump up in weight affected JMM himself. Which is the point you seemed to have missed.

What Floyd was able to do against Zab had more to do with his techical and composure more than size. Floyd never really uses his size to win a fight...it's all skills and talent he relies on.

We can ask Casa and Juan....who at 135 faught a much more capable and dangerous JMM than floyd at 2 weight classes higher than he's ever faught before. But asking them regarding power, fluidity and speed of JMM vs what version we saw at WW will have you comparing grape fruit vs Prime Rib....No need to compare things that have no business comparing in the first place.

 

I did'nt ask you for an explanation on how you saw those particular fights......I asked you a question that if you'd change your mind on what level you'd rank Pacquiao's wins over DLH and Hatton if Cotto just devoured Pac in simple dominant fashion.....
.....I conceded that I'd have to re-evaluated those Pac wins for the better if Pac just legitly beat Cotto......you however took a steep tangent run and dodged the question alltogether..

Simple, will you re-evaluate just how much credit to give Pacquiao for his victories over DLH and Hatton, if Cotto who's a legit Welter, just happens to completely devour Pac with no problems????

Dont avoid my question, embrace it!

 

Of course the jump to welter effected JMM......but imo not so much because he himself was hindered by the weight he had on him, but more the fact that his opponent was bigger than him in all areas.....
Too many physical advantges to give up to a fighter as skilled as Mayweather Jr......
In facing a Ricky Hatton, sure Hatton is the bigger fighter, but Hatton is so far away from having the advantages that favored Mayweather, like height, reach, weight, not the mention the monumental disparity between Hatton and Mayweather in something called skill!

On the Zab issue, if you watch the first few rounds where Zab was sucessful and won the rounds from Mayweather.....its not rough and tumble boxing, but if you've ever sparred, you can feel the strenghth of an opponent attacking just from a simple jab he's throwing......
.....in many instances you just punch at a fighters chest and arms and he feels the strenghth from it.....
Mayweather experienced some of that from a fighter that was his equal in strenghth and speed in Zab....

Judah happend to match up well with Mayweather in that he had some of the physical abilities of which includes size to give Mayweather a better fight.

I tell you and you will probably agree....styles do make fights......a fighter like Judah could give Mayweather hell, but lose to fighters who Mayweather completely outclassed.