Have a chat..??

Yeah, I'd like to find out why in hell I put up with all those crappy, ridiculous phonecalls from you. It's got me ****ed....

 

Get back to washing Khoder's car... :yep

 

I can't help myself Tony, I want you to consider the continual question of who wins and why......mine is the age old boxer v fighter position or question....plus the age old, era v era discussion or positioning of who wins.

I tend to think in typical stereotypes of champions ie: super boxer, versus, super puncher/fighter......

The super boxer:

He is skilled in ring movement, he knows the moves of his opponent "the fighter", the boxer knows the dangerous blows that will or maybe thrown by the fighter, knows how to capitalize on an opponent's lack of defence, knows and waits for the opportunities that flawed defence presents, knows how to determine the pace of the match, how to slow it down, how to speed it up, knows the techniques of counterpunches, ducking, catching punches, knows the great advantage of a rock solid jab, knows how unsettling the jab can be, and knows how to pick at that tight ball of wool and to make it a fuzzy mess.....

The super fighter:

He does not really know his own "bravery" (?); he is prepared to wear or receive head blows if necessary, and as he walks through this pain he delivers rapid hand speed attacks on the boxer; he knows how unsettling this can be for the boxer; he knows that if he throws twenty punches delivered rapidly, that he only needs one to hit the target and gain an immense value or knockdown; he usually knows only one way - forward on onward; he is not disgraced by being knocked down or out, he sees this as another day at the office, or as a matter of misfortune, or fate on the date.


Ok my stage is set.

I would like to hear what older champions, and knowledgeable boxing fans, thought about some fictitious match ups. But let's make it different, I would like to hear reasoned and thought-through spelled out approach to the skills required to beat a fighter or boxer....not just stubborn, emotional, supportive fan stuff....I WANT purely reasoned postioned arguments!! Comments like, "so and so would have murdered so and so" should be seen to be emotional rubbish and ignored.

Ok...I'll start it off with this fictitious match up - so we all get the drift....

Famechon versus Fenech.....at Featherweight.

OK, lets look at it One way: I would select Famechon as the superboxer, with a knockout or points win...why ? Because Famechon was so fast to react, he had his trace missile rock solid left jab that found that spot quickly to unsettle his opponent, and to setup further opportunity; Famechon had an immense ability of movement and control of the ring, Famechon had an incredible ability to counter punch. Looking at some of Fenech's championship fights, I see immense bravery but I see him rushing in with his hands down; Fenech was knocked out 3 times in total of 33 fights - well lets make that 32 real pro boxing bouts; I could see Famechon taking Fenech's head off with the right counterpunch in some situations, as Fenech was throwing the first or second punch of his intended twenty or so blows to Famechon in a blevy of attack. I see Famechon jabbing Fenech and distablizing and frustrating Fenech to the point where Fenech lost control.

OK, now lets look at it the Other way: Fenech looks powerful and strong tonight, he comes out of his corner aka Harada, and throws twenty punches at Famechon, and one hits John on the temple and down Famechon goes, not out to it, but dangerously (and accidently) tagged. Famechon is up and dodging and evading Fenech for the rest of the round. Remember, Famechon was never knocked out in his sixty seven fight career....lost on points five times... Next round Famechon is back to his near best evading...and now scoring some punches....but the fighter Fenech is tough and energetic for fifteen rounds....Fenech wins on points as the aggressor position is rewarded by judges and ref...

I say Fammo wins and was a big "arms-length" better than Fenech ever was...

What do you think Flamengo?
(I suppose what I am asking here is for discussion about champions, and to follow in line with their skills, boxing/fighting styles, and how their record demonstrated such skills. )

 

*sigh*

Mate, repeating the same joke (especially someone else's) is comedy crime!

 

My next question Flamengo is another very difficult and deeper question. It is not taking the ****, it is a thing I often wonder about.

What are some of the legacies that a "looker for legacies" might hope to find in a boxer/fighter?

How should the lookerer or messenger present or sell the perceived legacy of a boxer/fighter ?

Can the legacy that might be being positioned, be satisfied purely by a boxer or fighter's deeds done when and whilst he was boxing? (I suppose this question lends itself to ask, are legends made or created?)

Is a boxer that cannot provide publicity to himself, or who is not able to fortify or present their boxing legacy (maybe due to their death, debilitating injury or reclusivity) disadvantaged and maybe not seen to have a legacy?

(These are not trick or sarcastic questions....I suppose what I am asking for, is some dialogue of what it is that we might be looking for as a legacy, or how it might present itself, or how it should or might be presented by others. )

 

Seeing this is a serious boxing thread...

In another thread it was suggested that if Green gets stronger at LH and cruiser, then why wouldn't Mundine do the same.

On that theme how would Vic go if he beefed up to heavy. Could he beat the Klitschos? Could he beat the Klitschos without beefing up?

 

Alright, this thread does not seem to be working to your plan Flamengo.

Perhaps I have scared others off with my hard knuckle questions or ramblings. I might have even scared myself away from this thread, with my own questions. I dont need any answers, really, all I need to know is what are the rules.....

So, disregard my questions....the most important thing is for you to show up to my place near Christmas and have a steak, a beer and a laugh. And fark the questions.

 

Mate, it's not comedy, it's serious business! In order to get serious multi world-title opportunity business done, Khoder requires that car spotless and detailed to perfection and to be frank, your effort in this department up to this point has been 'lax' to say the least. Your effort in getting Khoder these multi world-title opportunitites for Mandy has been exceptional - first rate!

Get back to work you West Ham ****! :hey

 

Well I'm actuallly a bit over-booked in the boxing world what with supervising the upcoming 154lb title and reffing another in South Africa and then supervising the heavyweight title in Germany. You on the other hand have plenty of time since binning your only client in which time you managed to sink his popularity to new lows. Hopefully Luis Saha moves on before you turn him into the EPL's version of Ed Gein! Chop chop, Khoder's expecting you

Wax on, wax off you scouser ****! :rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

 

Apols Tiger & Flamengo, just wanted to post one of those real meathead posts that come out occassionally.

...some mightn't have noticed it as different to my usual stuff!

 

COULDHAVEBEEN: (1) "Seeing this is a serious boxing thread...

In another thread it was suggested that if Green gets stronger at LH and cruiser, then why wouldn't Mundine do the same.

On that theme how would Vic go if he beefed up to heavy. Could he beat the Klitschos? Could he beat the Klitschos without beefing up? "

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(2) Apols Tiger & Flamengo, just wanted to post one of those real meathead posts that come out occassionally....some mightn't have noticed it as different to my usual stuff!
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Couldhavebeen -

When they add up the votes for the most intellectual-boxing-genius by way of writing and topics studied on this thread - there will be at least one vote for you...


(hahahhahhahahah....)

 

I'll polish the bridge of your nose with my forehead, Josef Goebellls!