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That was a very well written response Flamengo, with constant and intricate nuances of knowledge that only a skilled boxer or boxing enthusiast could identify or observe.

Thank you.

Now that you've summarized and compared these intricate strengths and details of Rose, Famechon and poor Jeffry, and Harada, we only have a few thousand more to go....... this will be a long thread.

 

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Mate......Flamengo is one "HUGE' aussie boxing nut hugger :deal

I did think that at one stage I was the best but in all reason and rational....this guy is P4P the best :hi:

 

And the beer as well

 

Dont make me expose your mundine nut hugging love to the ESB forum :yep

 

Ok I will keep that one in the bag along with I'm Teke and Luds is Mundine :hey

 

Not quite the same mate.....I have an ESB regular that knows that I'm Mundine...oops...I mean ASH :hey

 

Couldavbeen ! Excuse my ignorance please - regarding your (no message with the) photo you put up...who is that fighter laying on the canvas; I am intrigued because it confuses the order of things in my head.....ie: headguard and no shirt means he is not an amateur, headguard and no shirt means perhaps a pro that is sparring on a promotiion? (why would there be a knock down if it was a friendly spar, challenger got too cocky) ?? Maybe a coorporate night where headguards are worn, and shirts were off....?? please inform me I am puzzzled.

 

Thanks for giving me the chance to compare these two fighters Flamengo, ya *****...give me the hard ones why don't you...


I was privileged to get to spar Dunlop over three rounds in 1970, when he came to Palmers wanting Ambrose to train him, wanting to make a comeback.....he only trained a few days with Ambrose, I don't know what happened, but he decided to stay retired. Sparring Dunlop, even whilst he was rusty, was like stepping from a 4 cylinder morris major car up into a GTH0 Ford.....he just oooooozed champion.....he had a blockbuster left jab, thrown with incredibly purpose and rarely wasted, he counterpunched cleverly, and kept his chin covered; just when you thought you were about to get an edge on him, he would casually step on the gas and increase the tempo with a greater intestity...as champions do.

I got this feeling in my water,that Bob Dunlop might have suffered from nerves at fights, might have even over heard him talking about his nerves in the gym... nerves are good to keep your whits, but not if they make you billious....

Henry Clark and Jose Torres were tough men that pushed Bobby and buckled him. Dunlop always gave the impression he would come back to fight another day.

In the super boxer v super fighter position I talked about previously, I would say Dunlop was a clever boxer, not a fighter; yet he had nearly a 50% knockout rate. Dunlop fought nearly twice as many rounds as Harding....325 rounds (Dunlop) to Harding 178.... both men were six foot tall.

Hitman is a difficult fighter/boxer to add up; watching his fights I sometimes see an almost niaive approach to some of his confrontation, pitterpattering up close, and yet his perserverance follows through with a win. Just watching him fight Andries again, (in order to give you some better feedback) he is incredible with endurance, persistancy and power.

I am lending to believe that Dunlop would have served up double the amount of jabs and vicious rights to Harding, unsettling Harding much, much more than Andries served up to Harding; Harding was an inigma really, you never really knew what he could produce until he was pushed there...... would he produce this all of the time, yes? no ?

Ok I am getting near to answering your most, most difficult question. Remember Harding won and defended a world title.....Dunlop did not get there....but should have......but you are asking on a matchup....

Between the two fighters I must now gauge their hand speeds.....

Dunlop wins with faster, more deliberate, purposeful punches.
Harding does throw too many wasters.....or non purposeful punches....almost like the first minute of a warm up and spar.....too dangerous to serve that up to Bobby I think..

OK: Dunlop wins first fight on a stoppage to Harding who is downed with too many blows, referee waives Harding finished - all over red rover by end of 7th round....knocked down twice, and still getting the worst of the stick when he steps in and stops the fight..... The rematch is on: Harding gets a foot up the bum from his tainer, Harding is much better than this first performance; this time Harding is resolute, has upped the tempo required to fight Dunlop, and is matching the hand speed, deflecting blows thrown by Dunlop and reverses the score with a knock out of Dunlop by the seventh round.

No, no, come on, I am not fence sitting, I have given my belief.....