have American heavyweights been lacking heart lately?

No more than any other country, it's the skill factor that has declined the most over the last decade. I do believe alot of American fighters, dont have the hunger anymore, as a poster earlier in the thread said, alot of the American Heavyweights now are middle class, I know for a fact Calvin Brock was upper middle class.

 

Ali was also middle class. That´s not an argument.

 

Uh, no they just suck

 

I think it's more a matter of increase competition from around the world than a decline in skill factor from 'US heavyweights.' Which were never that great to begin with.

 

The 90's and 70's American Heavyweights were extremely skilled and very talented, now the Heavyweight division as a whole, is a joke. There Fat, injury prone, old, lack personality, and there skill level is also very low. You have your exceptions, but for the most part the Heavyweight division is in a very sad state, and has been since Lewis retired in 03.

 

Rahman had a serious cut from an accidental headbutt and knowing that he was basically fighting with all the advantages on Toney's side(the result proved that) with everything to lose and very few to gain he had the right to stop it without expecting a TKO loss but the rules to come in play. Still though that is the easy way out so I'm not fully disagreeing here just explaining the situation.

Thompson gave Wladimir a decent fight though he was too defensive and cautious when he had COUNTLESS opportunities to take advantage of. The end though he was exhausted and had nothing left, it was a vicious punch that finished him off so I won't really say he quit or took the easy way out, the man took some serious bombs from the biggest puncher in the division right now for 11 rounds and was still there when people though the first two or three right hands would finish him.

Sykes though I have to fully agree, he quit and didn't even bother to try.

 

That's true but still there are a few good fights to be made in the division so it's not toally dead.

 

Rahman, Sykes and Thompson are all from the ghetto, so that argument doesn't really fly here.

 

Three shitfests indeed.

 

They've lacked heart, talent, size, dedication, etc., etc... You name it, they lack it.

 

I don't think there lacking heart,but there is no doubt they lack talent....but the division is that bad its a debate that could be made changing the American to a whole host of countries.

 

Its been about 20 years since America had a great heavy... I think that americans are not in the sport like they you to be. It's a numbers game...if a great number of kids aspire to be great boxers then that will boil down to 2 or 3 great fighters. But thats not happening so the country is not turning out great fighters... They really are playing other sports...thats why americans are holding more titles in the weight classes south of heavy...

 

A lot of these guys have second jobs because boxing alone isnt gonna pay the bills and keep a roof over their heads.. They're aren't at that point where they can afford to just train and fight... Amateur system is so important... Now I can't argue with going to college... Some colleges actually have boxing teams... Like I've said in plenty post, Lock Haven is one of them... And they do air amateur college boxing on tv here... Also, you never know, that college student might become a future promoter or color commentator that'll rid you of Max Kellerman... Basically, cost of livin is high... and fighting every month in west virginia padding up your record isn't gonna do it, lol.. why do people fight in west virginia anyways~??

You know what Tyson, Foreman and Holyfield have in common... It's the same thing that most of the American heavies don't have in common with those 3...... good amateur background...

Chambers was just outworked.... Povetkin put the peddle to the metal... Eddie felt like he wasn't gonna keep up the same pace throughout the fight that Alex was going.... But Chambers in that fight did show that he can compete with that second tier and probably win....

When fighters began to show heart (Witherspoon) it didn't really work... Sometimes showing too much heart gets you beat, especially when the best way to beat your opponent is to BOX...

 

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The only question is when are the titlists going to stop ducking him and
step up to the challenge?

 

Yeah Russia's super heavy took our super heavy out during the World Championships.