Have any of Klitschko brothers made the top 20 ATG list?

In terms of mutual opponents:

Vitali lost to a last second sub Byrd. Wlad beat Byrd twice.

Wlad lost to Sanders. Vitali beat a 10 lb fatter Sanders.

Wlad beat Peter twice. Vitali beat a 10-13 lb fatter Peter.

Wlad usually fought the better prepared opponent in each case and went 4-1 to Vitali's 2-1.

 

Because it is a joke...which is eaxctly my point. Theres not one not one seriously good heavy since Lewis other than the Bros.

 

Tyson actually had competition and wars inside the ring. Vitali fights scraps for a living....which great actually.

 

Wlad struggled with Peter, and weight doesnt equal preparedness. Sanders was much better prepared to fight Vitali than Wlad. Vitali is less talented, but infinitely more durable, and it shows with his poise.

 

Not a chance for vitali. The 4 years out have cost him dearly. Instead of being an 8 year unified linear champion, he is an old titlist with danny williams holding a place in his top 5 victories.

Wlad is a different story, providing he doesn't get beat between now and retirement, he cracks the top ten.

 

Dominates the division? Let's look at the top ten.

Wlad
Vitali
Haye
Solis
Adamek
Chambers
Povetkin
Chagaev
Valuev
Thompson

How many of them has vitali beaten?

Hardly dominating a division.

 

Several fell OUT of the top 10 precisely BECAUSE vitali beat them. Such as JC Gomez, Arreola, Peter.

 

wlad is already top 10 imo.

1. ali
2. lewis
3. louis
4. Holmes
5. johnson
6. foreman
7. holyfield
8. Marciano
9. Wlad
10. Tyson

if wlad wins against adamek, haye, povetkin and a future top contender he will crack my top 5

 

-Weight can be a good indication when a fighter shows up looking like a slob. The Peter of both Wlad fights was very trim and actually showing movement.

-Sanders showed up in great shape against Wlad and was flabby against Vitali. Doesn't matter anyway, the big difference is Vitali was prepared for that one while Wlad was not.

 

Wladimir is just outside the Top 10 Heavyweights of all time & Vitali is Top 15 or so.

In fact either Klitschko ranks a bit higher in head to head matchups.

 

He is right. Lennox Lewis is a Top 5-10 Heavyweight on any serious list.

 

Areola and peter yes. That is two people. Johnson, gomez, sosnowski and briggs where no where near the top ten.

And a dominant fighter is like wlad who has beaten most of the top ten fighters.

Wlad will never be truly dominant until vitali retires.

 

I'd put Wlad in a top 20, yes.

There isn't enough good opposition for him to beat to get him into the top 10, even though he's barely lost a round in about five years.

Vitali could have been top 20, but four years off didn't help, and his opponents since then haven't exactly been brilliant...... he's in the 20-40 bracket alongside the likes of Bruno and Witherspoon.

 

Sorry, but Wlad is not better than Tyson and (the not featured) Joe Frazier.