Have boxers gotten better as time progressed?

Holyfield is simply greater than Dempsey.

Using Holyfield as a measuring stick for Dempsey beating Tyson is absurd.

And even then Holyfield was facing a Tyson who had fought about 8 rounds in 5 years

Tyson would not crumble mentally against someone like Dempsey, Holyfield was a whole different puzzle. Dempsey on the other hand, would be out cold before any of Tysons mental issues come into play.

Watch the first seconds of the first Holyfield fight, that right hand Tyson hits Holyfield with, would probably kill Dempsey.

Ok, 'If Tyson cant KO Dempsey like he couldn't to more than just Holyfield then he's in for a rough time'

Talk me through who Tyson wasnt able to Ko?

If Fireman Jim Flynn can park Dempsey, Tyson most certainly can and will.

 

Not to mention bringing about world peace, and an end to famine, and poverty.

 

Deontary Wilder has a 100% KO percentage, is he the greatest puncher of all time? statistically yes.

But its who you knocked out. Asides from Demsey did Flynn ever KO anyone decent?

Holyfield was a roider no doubt, we cant physically measure whether Dempsey was stronger than him. What we do know is that Holyfield performed well against large skilled heavyweights. So id favour Holyfield in that dept myself.

In order to fight Tyson on the inside, you have to get there first, Holyfield had a bombproof chin and was able to outmuscle Tyson in the clinch and walk through his shots. I dont think Demsey is walking through Tysons shots. Fighting on the inside is one thing, getting there is another.

Who knocked Mitch Green out? No one. He fought for at least another decade after losing to Tyson. Mitch Green was never Ko'd.

James Tillis. Tillis was an experienced journeyman who was put in with a young relatively inexperienced Tyson. Tillis was Tysons first 'name' opponent whereas Tillis had already been in the ring with the best heavyweights of that period.

Smith. Have you seen this fight? Smith should have been DQd because he held Tyson throughout the fight and did nothing except throw a punch in the last ten seconds of he fight.

Tony Tucker was a 6'7 rangy fighter who ran and held all night hoping that he doesnt get Ko'd. Dempsey is not 6'7 and does not run.

Lewis was unable to KO Tony Tucker either.

Tyson very nearly did KO Douglas with the one good solid shot he landed.

Holyfield has a granite chin, Dempsey doesnt.

Once again, both Douglas and Lewis used their size and reach to keep Tyson at bay until he was out of ammo. Dempsey fights NOTHING like either of them.

I think that pretty much covers who Tyson didnt KO.

 

I have no doubt Tyson would smoke Dempsey inside a round.

 

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......wait....are you sure Dempsey doesnt weather the storm and take Tyson into the later rounds where Tyson would mentally crumble and run out of stamina?

 

1) My knowledge on Flynn is little, so i accept your point.

2) Tyson couldnt KO rangy guys who kept him at arms length and/or ran/held to save their lives. The complete opposite of Dempsey, stylewise and sizewise.

3) Tyson didnt lose to some inside fighters and some guys with irons chins. He lost to one, Evander Holyfield.

Holyfields the only guy who took Tysons shots and still kept coming and Holyfield probably has one of the best chins in heavyweight history just as good as Ali's

 

The only guy who weathered the storm was Evander Holyfield, and even he was in cuckooland when Tyson landed a couple of combinations in the fifth round.

Tysons power was serious, he knocked out people who had never been knocked out before and knocked other guys out faster than his peers did.

Jack Dempsey is not Evander Holyfield.

Holyfield would not get knocked out by Jim Flynn.

Holyfield took right hands from Bowe, Tyson, Lewis and Foreman and survived. Those 4 there are the best right handers in heavyweight history.

Apart from Holyfield, name some other fighters who 'weathered' the Tyson storm and turned the fight round?

 

Toney would batter Dempsey if he was 40 years old

 

Holyfields chin was indeed aided by roids. I believe that.

But its a touchy point of discussion because automatically you get accused of being a Tyson nuthugger.

Holyfield through Tysons punches like they were nothing.