Have heavyweights really gotten that much bigger?

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  1. elTerrible

    elTerrible TeamElite General Manager Full Member

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    Its a common theme that todays heavyweights are much larger than say 40+ years ago. A lot of guys like Foreman and Liston who where considered big would be considered small today in terms of weight.

    But outside of Lennox and the two Klitschko brothers, I really dont see a fleet of invincible super huge guys. For the most part it seems heavyweights have just gotten fatter. A lot of these guys that are 240-260 would be 220 if they bothered to come in the ring in shape. It seems like really only the 3 mentioned above stand out as guys who were 240+ when well conditioned.

    I mean right now that only thing keeping two former cruiser weights from ruling the division is the Klit brothers.

    There are probably some more I am missing but what do you think?
     
  2. Lester1583

    Lester1583 Can you hear this? Full Member

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    Ibeabuchi, Bowe, Golota - close to 240 - good/great conditioned in their prime.
     
  3. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    There have always been huge dudes. However, not only are there more now but the ones over the last 20 years are more coordinated and athletic. Also with the lowering of the championship distance a formula for their success has emerged, a conservative, power broker formula that is fairly boring. Bowe, for one, eschewed this, played the role of action fighter and didn't last long. Someone make it fiften rounds, please.
     
  4. janitor

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    The average weight has increased a lot more than the average height and reach.

    A lot of this is due to changes in training style.
     
  5. Lester1583

    Lester1583 Can you hear this? Full Member

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    Bowe's training habbits were bad though.
     
  6. janitor

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    There used to be this lumbering farm hand called Jess Willard, who was as big as Bowe, and could fight for 20 rounds at a brisk pace.

    Beating him was inconcequential!
     
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    Foreman grew 1" in height and his wrist measurement grew 5" between his first career and his comeback!?:huh

    But yeah, I don't think people have gotten much taller, overall, in the last 40+ years. People have gotten heavier, but not much taller. Nowadays, a lot of athletes are heavily into weight-training and muscle building, which were not as popular years ago. The older fighters seemed to emphasize speed, agility, and quickness more so than strength and muscle. Showing up at the leanest weight possible seemed to be the norm; nowadays being big and bulky seems more popular.

    But the height measurements of a lot of fighters are just not accurate. Most people that have met Tyson swear that he's nowhere near 5'11 1/2". And the same goes for Rocky Marciano and Floyd Patterson's height measurements. Rocky might have been 5'10 1/4" with shoes on, but his true height was probably more like 5'9". And did Foreman really grow 1" between his first career and comeback? Fighter's stats are funny sometimes. I think fighters tend to round up when it comes to height.
     
  9. elTerrible

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    This is a pretty interesting idea and something I havent really thought about. Sort of like MMA early on where they find the right style that nobody seems to be able to beat. Steward has had control over the heavy division for more than 10 years now with his style of fighters.

    I dont know if there will always be that big super athletic guy though that can use Stewards style. Wlad only has a few years left. If you throw out the Klits the next best guys were Adamek and Haye with both of them beating larger but less skilled fighters.
     
  10. Mendoza

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    I think we saw the best blown up cruiser weights recently in Adamek and Haye doing next to nothing vs the Klitschko's.

    The days of a sub 200 pound champion are gone, and you won't see any in shape 200-210 pound men beating the best super heavyweight with skills in the future.


    The game changed in the 1990's. Bowe, Lewis, Klitschko, and Klitschko, combined between the 4 have only lost one razor thin decision, and owned the top ten by a staggering margin. Do you math, and you'll see.
     
  11. Seamus

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    I never stated beating Willard was inconsequential, merely perhaps overrated in a purely boxing sense from the earth-shattering, messianic arrival it has grown into in modern lore.

    And a comparison, skill-wise, resume-wise and experience-wise between Willard and Bowe is high-level comedy. If Willard were to last 20 rounds with Bowe, he would have to do it over 10 fights, consistently getting KO'd in the 2nd.
     
  12. janitor

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  13. Seamus

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    Ahh... The great classicist technique of grabbing a modern fighter's worst performance to glorify some farmhand hack from yesteryear. Firstly, yes I do believe the Bowe from Golota I would beat Willard. Secondly, I believe the Bowe from Holyfield I puts Golota OUT in a way Dempsey could not.
     
  14. elTerrible

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    Im not talking guys that are 190 pounds but more like the guys in the 210-220 pound range which included most of the champs since Liston through Tyson.

    My point with Haye and Adamek is that they are the next best heavyweights out there after the Klits, that the top 10 heavyweights is not all filled with 240+ lb guys and most of the guys today of that weight are carrying 20 pounds of fat.

    After the Klits retire, which will be soon, there doesnt seem to be anyone who stands out that will control the division, we had a lewis and Klit reign of big men but it doesnt seem to me that the division as a whole is that much larger since the 70s.
     
  15. RockyJim

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    Fatter maybe...huffing and puffing after a few rounds of so-called"action"...