Have the Klitsckos offered Haye at least 30% of the purse?

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  1. Faerun

    Faerun Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The Esprit Arena (Wlad - Chambers) has a maximum capacity of 50.000.

    Wladimir vs. Chambers had 13.72 million viewers (58,9% market share!!!) in Germany. Vitali's fight last saturday was dwarfed by the Eurovision Song Contest which was won by Germany.
     
  2. RUSKULL

    RUSKULL Loyal Member banned

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    I agree, 60-40% in Wlad's favor is a fair offer with the standard rematch clause.
     
  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I never understand the 60-40 split when you are talking about the biggest payday out there. When it's the biggest payday out there, guys should just take a 50-50 split. Why not? As long as Wlad is making more money for 50% of Haye than he likely would with 60% of someone else, that's what it should be.

    But the world doesn't work like that I guess.
     
  4. madballster

    madballster Loyal Member Full Member

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    I don't think this is about the split or offer at all for Haye. It's all about the timing of the fight: now versus later.

    Haye knows that if he loses to the Klits right now then he becomes damaged goods, especially on Sky PPV. No more PPV paydays boxing bums. Haye would lose out on millions in revenues from his next 2-3 fights against zero risk bums.

    So he will only agree to fighting the high risk opponents like Wlad or Vitali after he's through with all the bums when he feels he's ready to retire anyways. Then it doesn't matter if he loses or not, at least from a financial point of view.

    Haye told us he's not fighting for money or boxing politics, he's in it for legacy and glory. Him and Booth are pissing in our faces and probably are having a good time doing it.
     
  5. RUSKULL

    RUSKULL Loyal Member banned

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    Simple math really. Wlad is bringing a lot more to the table. Multiple belts & multiple defenses of each one to legitimize them. Haye has a highly tainted belt & he's defended it once against a guy who shouldn't have been the mandatory.
     
  6. Doc (aka Meke)

    Doc (aka Meke) Active Member Full Member

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    Even last year, when he was nobody with a big mouth, Haye was offered 40% or even more.
     
  7. rushman

    rushman Devoid is Devoid Full Member

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    I think Chef confirmed it was 38%.

    Haye demanded that he get the PPV sales for Sentanta though. Some people think he is a smart businessman - he clearly ****ed up the biggest deal of his lifetime though, don't beleive that makes him a good businessman.
     
  8. Antsu

    Antsu Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I remember him getting only Setanta money which by no means was 40% of total revenue.
     
  9. Doc (aka Meke)

    Doc (aka Meke) Active Member Full Member

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    yeah, the number was ridiculously high considering how much Haye did at HW at that moment. If I'm not mistaken, voluntary challengers can consider themselves lucky if they get 25%.

    I think Haye doing the right thing - he can milk the title in the UK for some time now. By the next year VK will get even worse and Haye seems to be mildly interested in fighting him.
     
  10. Doc (aka Meke)

    Doc (aka Meke) Active Member Full Member

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    nope, see above!
     
  11. dan-b

    dan-b Boxing Junkie banned

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    Here's some more simple math. You have BOTH of Wlad's balls in your mouth.
     
  12. madballster

    madballster Loyal Member Full Member

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    Haye - Valuev sold 800k views in the UK. Let's say a fight with Wlad could have sold 1 million UK views. Thats 1m x 14.95 = 14.95 million GBP. Haye gets 1/3 of the revenues from Sky, let's assume he had a similar deal with Setanta. That means Haye would have made 5 million GBP = 7.5 million US Dollars.

    If Haye's $7.5 million Dollars from Setanta were not 40% of the total purse then you are claiming the total global purse was higher than $19 million Dollars. Given there was only regular TV deals such as German RTL and US HBO (not PPV) plus the gate revenues you are probably way off. The total revenues (outside of UK PPV) were probably around $10 million, if that.

    In fact it was Booth's desire to just get the Setanta money and no split of anything else because that's the best deal for Haye (if Setanta hadn't gone bust).
     
  13. Antsu

    Antsu Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So Setanta was planning to pay 38% of whole revenue, without knowing how many PPV sales they would get?
    Wouldn’t it be safer to give some percentage of total PPV sales and smaller guarantee money?

    No wonder they were bankrupt.
     
  14. Antsu

    Antsu Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    How Cheff can confirm that it was 38% based on asumed PPV numbers of a match that didnt happen?

    But it sounds like possible percent if he really had similar deals with Setanta and Sky.
     
  15. calumbo

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    Is "chef" this mythical cook who is somehow also linked to negotiations speaking the truth??

    Im not going to dis-credit the guy as he comes across well when discussing points with him but come on this is an internet forum!!
    You or I could say we were anyone...