Have we ever seen anything like Vasyl Lomachenko?

Linares never beat any of the other top 3 LW. Mikey, Easter and Flanagan. Those are just facts. Do I think Linares ducked anyone? No, but you can't give someone credit and say he just fought who was available to him, so I'm going to act like he beat top caliber opposition!

 

You can't fault him for it either.
135 was weak for a while but Linares and Crolla were arguably the best there.
Easter and Garcia arrived at 135 after Linares established himself as the top dog. Only name he missed was Flanagan.

 

LOL Crolla. The guy who went life and death with a Burns that didn't win a round against Indongo? No you can't fault Linares, but he didn't have elite wins, and gets way overhyped because people want to overhype loma's win over him. Just like liquorice did.

 

Like i said, weak division.
No one did anything besides Crolla and Linares. (that being until 2017).

But you will always have guys who go nuts for some guys. You have to ignore that noise.
And then you have guys like you: "The guy who went life and death with a Burns that didn't win a round against Indongo?". I hate when boxing fans play that stupid game.
Linares was obviously really good and him vs Loma was a fantastic fight. Yet some want to hail it as some marquee moment in boxing history while others want to tear it down for some stupid reasons.
It was one of the best fights of 2018.

Linares doesn't have elite wins. Neither do Flanagan, Easter or Garcia. Heck even Loma lacks that defining win. (same **** with a loooot of guys)

 

There's a big reason Ellerbe is on my ignore. He has no ability to properly assess fighters. The post you quoted is just typical of his zero understanding. He's a casual fan at the best.

 

Guys like me? WHAT DID I SAY THAT WAS WRONG. Burns vs Crolla was an incredibly close fight and Indongo completely dominated and made Burns look foolish. Funny thing is Burns fought Indongo BEFORE Crolla, so he was even more shot against Crolla.

Forget elite wins then, he really didn't beat any of the top 4 guys in his weak division. People acted like he was this dominant 135 pounder that CLEANED his division. That's just such a false narrative. He beat some UK guys and that's it. He also has been stopped multiple times. Good talent, and he definitely did far better against Loma than I expected.

 

Wtf does "shot" mean at this point? I knew it used to stand for "not being able to pull the trigger".
And when was Burns in his supposed prime? 2012? Burns is just old now. He has struggled with opponents for a long time now. He won some and lost some. Burns being dominated by Indongo has nothing to with Linares.

Crolla and Linares were at on point the best in the division and they fought. They were the only two top guys who agreed to fight each other. Easter and Garcia arrived later and they fought nobody of note.
And who exactly is saying Linares was some god at 135? There are just handful of fanboys doing so. You are reading too much into it.

Linares was without a doubt the top guy at 135. He had done the most.

 

Yes it does. It shows the quality of his wins. You brought up Crolla as one of Linares' best win. Crolla barely scraped by Burns ffs. That's the level of opposition Linares was beating. Linares looked extremely dominant in Crolla 2 which is what got him super overrated.

He definitely was not without a doubt the top guy. Done the most? An argument can be made that Fortuna, Commey, and Shafikov better wins than Mitchell and Crolla. Who the **** did Linares beats. STOP it. Linares would have to have beat Flanagan, Easter, or Mikey, to have distinguish himself as the undeniable #1 guy. And that's just resume. If we're talking h2h Linares definitely is not "without a doubt the top guy".

 

What he's doing is not unique, it's the combination of techniques with the follow up move that makes his style unique.

The main tool he uses are his jab as well as feints, looking for specific reactions and thennhe counters it.

If he throws a jab and they block it with a high guard, he will use the fact his jab will obstruct their vision and move to their side and shoot at an opening.

If he jabs and they duck whilst still in defense mode, he can put his hand behind their head and spin them, or lean on their back shifting his weight on them to prevent counters then shuffle to their side and shoot at an opening.

If they duck or move and look to counter he will spin his jab hand in a circular motion to party their counter.

He can also use his jab to pull down on opponents guard. He will also have a follow up after his counters, say he moves to the opponents side and they have enough time to locate him and get ready to guard but they still need to turn to face him, he will put his forearm against the side of ther face to cover their vision and throw a punch they won't see coming with the other hand.

This is why opponents are quitting against him, he is a flat out major pain in the ass to fight because his offense revolves around disablting theopponent in one way or another.

Opponents that sacrifice defense for offense, someone thst uses Ali's style of leaning back to avoid punches with constant movement and good accuracy will probably the hardest style to fights.

 

By the way how can you say Easter fought "no one of note", and then try to credit Linares for his wins over UK talent . I know you're a reasonable poster too badbot and not a Loma dickrider, I just feel like you're trying to argue with me for the sake of arguing.

 

I dont agree with the first part but do so with the second half.

Crolla also beat Barroso, Murray and Perez and Reese. Crolla is not defined by his close win over Burns. Just look at the 2012 he had. He really turned his career around.

 

Hahahaha you're so butthurt about the other day. If you don't suck Loma or GGG off you're a casual fan!

 

i kinda ****ed up there, yea.
I got hinged on the idea of we are still in 2016. Up until 2017, the only guys who did anything at LW were Flanagan, Linares and Crolla.
Times have changed indeed.

 

Barroso's claim to fame is beating a shot Mitchell. I didn't see the Perez fights so I can't comment on it. And are you talking about Gavin Reese? The guy Broner beat the **** out of? lol. I just don't rate Crolla. Flanagan would have toyed with him. Crolla didn't want that work. He picked Linares over Flanagan.

 

Meh, Flanagan ain´t that good either. (as he proved in his last fight)
But this was a weak lightweight division and Crolla wasn't even a fringe contender. Reese was clearly not world class, but to my knowledge Crolla was supposed to loose to him. It was a heck of a victory for Crolla at the time.
And he built on it with some good performances. (Barroso was heavily favored before hand).

Linares and Crolla fought and Linares was the man of the division. Right on his tail was Flanagan and then Zlaticanin was also creeping up.
But then(what i kinda blanked out on) Easter and Garcia arrived.