Having A Balance Between The Modern Era & Past Era

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  1. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It seems like there is some really bad takes from certain posters regarding certain eras.

    For instance you have old timers who think Marciano would beat Super Heavyweights which is nonsense. But then you have people thinking every modern fighter is better than every older fighter which is also nonsense.

    I mean yeah in certain cases especially amongst Heavyweights size will be factor compared to black/white era. But then you have to take into account that not every modern Heavyweight looks better than the past Heavyweights.

    For example Tyson, Lewis, Holmes, look better on film than pretty much most of the Heavyweights now. And the skill level should be taken into account and just not the size.

    All in all I think there should always be a balance when your comparing the modern era to the past era, and not just be so biased in favour of one era.
     
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  2. Reg

    Reg Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Tyson, Lewis, and Holmes are considered modern heavyweights.
     
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  3. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Tyson was champion over 30 years ago when I wasn't even born, Holmes was champion over 40 years ago thats not really my definition of modern.

    I think you have a point with Lewis because he was one the first real ATG Super Heavyweights and that started to be trend after that regarding size.
     
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  4. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Doesn't matter when you were born. The fact is they're considered modern heavyweights in boxing.
     
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  5. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Well different eras then alot of people who favour Heavyweights of today, feel like Heavyweights of 30 or 40 years ago are too small and out dated in their style to compete with current crop of Heavyweights.

    Not my words of course but that's what the thread is about, alot of the time there is no middle ground and it's either someone only favours the fighters of today. Or people only favour the older fighters of yesteryear.
     
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  6. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    I’ve been saying the same thing for years now.

    If you held a huge tournament between a bunch of great older fighters vs a bunch of great modern fighters, the tournament would yield mixed results, simply depending on how they matched up on the night stylistically.

    Not every older great would have won.

    Not every newer great would have won.

    What drives me insane, is the ignorance. And especially when they try and use track times in sprinting as some sort of evidence.

    I had a guy 2 days ago tell me that Haney would have beaten Pea, due to all of the modern guys being superior to all of the older ones. (head in hands)

    There’s guys on here who believe such things.

    Yet you can destroy their logic in mere seconds, by pointing out that there’s whole divisions today that are weaker than what they were decades ago.

    These guys are just as ignorant and as biased as the nostalgics who they attack.
     
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  7. Reg

    Reg Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm going to be honest, I'm one of those people. Size matters. But at the same time so does skill. Despite the fact that I think modern heavyweights would do well in past eras I was also one of the people saying Usyk would win a HW title before he had even won a cruiserweight title. But not every HW champ in history is as skilled as Usyk, and when it comes to pre-80's, Usyk is still bigger than many of them. Despite Usyks skill gap at HW he still has a lot of size to overcome.
     
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  8. The Professor

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    When I read comments like this it reminds me that today's boxing fans look at all the ATGs whose careers I was following when I became a boxing fan - Holmes, Leonard, Hearns, Tyson, etc etc. - the way WE looked at guys like Louis, Marciano, Robinson, LaMotta etc.
     
  9. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I agree Usyk does well in past eras but i do think people go a bit over the top, i see people having Usyk as a huge favourite against a prime Mike Tyson. And i just can't see it nor do i understand the reasoning behind it, if your having issues vs Breidis, Chisora, pressure. Then more than likely an ATG pressure fighter in Tyson is going to give Usyk alot of problems.

    I sometimes think people just don't look at how fighters match up stylistically, and just pick a fighter because they prefer the fighters of today or vice a versa being nostalgic and preferring older fighters.
     
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  10. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    Entirely too hard to tell. It takes wayyyy too long to get fights made these days.
     
  11. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Most people often miss looking at how the two guys would have matched up stylistically. Yet since being a kid, that’s the very thing that I’ve always done.
     
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  12. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'm 23 i started watching boxing when i was probably like 10 or 11 ? my grandfather actually got me into it who's no longer here may he RIP. But he was boxer and actually learnt me how to protect myself, and since a kid i've always took into account how fighters match up and that's the beauty of the sport IMO styles make fights as the old saying goes.

    Look at Marco Antnio Barrera vs Junior Jones ? if they would've never of fought would anyone think Jones would go 2-0 vs Barrera ?

    Another example is Fritizie Zivic would anyone think he would beat one of the GOAT's Henry Armstrong twice ?

    Look at even Salvador Sanchez he looked great against pressure fighters in Gomez, Lopez, but then looked very beatable against the likes Patrick Ford when he had to force the fight instead of being able to counter punch.
     
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  13. Serge

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    The rose-coloured googles boxing nostalgists are particularly insufferable and I have great respect for the fighters from the black and white era and the 60s and 70s. It's comical when they argue fighter from today struggled against or lost against so and so whilst they simultaneously whitewash all the life and death struggles and losses from their records of the fighters of yesteryear. :facepalm:
     
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  14. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    That’s fantastic.

    You appear to be much older.

    You’re extremely knowledgeable.

    I always enjoy reading your posts.

    Yes, some fantastic examples there.

    The Junior Jones fights with MAB shocked me. I was at school at the time.

    On a side note, (you may know of this) when Prince Naz was in training with Manny Steward for the MAB fight in 2001, Manny got some footage of MAB for Naz to watch. He then left the gym for a while and told Naz that he wanted him to study the footage closely whilst he was out. But when Manny returned to the gym, he saw that the tapes/DVDs hadn’t been touched. Naz had just left them there.

    He then found Naz in a room with his entourage watching footage of Junior Jones defeating MAB. Manny then frustratedly asked why he’d not watched the specific footage that he’d left him. And Naz said that he was watching footage of MAB, but just different footage.

    Manny then shook his head and said:

    “Naz, that’s not the version of Barrera that you’re going to be facing”
     
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