Wlad and Lewis. Enough said. Ever considered that it might not be all that? If you can go 12 with the likes of Tua and Mercer, having a Great Chin almost seems a waste.
Right, it's like power, if you never hit your opponent, that power goes to waste! Power and chin are wastes! Same for heart, stamina, etc.! All wastes!
atsch When you can only degrade a fighter for having a **** chin when he dominates, it is ******ed. "Oh, lewis dominated that fight easily, but he has a **** chin. If he got knocked out he would have lost!" That is a typical ESB post.
Fair point in principle, though I think referencing Lewis (regarded as a top 3 HW by some, and by some to be the best head to head HW ever) against the likes of Tua (a one-dimensional fighter which massive physical disadvantages) to make that point is a bit flawed. Also you picked two genuinely massive fighters with BIG reach and height advantages. Not everyone has that trait, especially in all other weight classes but HW where they cant physically get those traits due to weight restrictions. I agree with your point, though.
I did that deliberately to point out that other things are more important than chin. Some people act like it is always the be all and end all. Even when a guy dominates. It is only the be all and end all when... it ends you. Not when it actually does not.
I expect many people to mock this and deliberately misunderstand. Those who don't will get my point. Just look at Zak. He is the worst but many have the same mentality.
Not that this is the only problem. The way fighters are degraded is actually unique to the sport. You don't here NFL teams talking about their "prime team" (as a pseudo-excuse), for example.
Fair point but I think it would be more apt to reference a fighter who overcame a punch resistance deficiency through their boxing rather than inate physical advantages. I think that would make a more potent arguement considering this is a boxing forum. It would be interesting to see how Lewis would fare against his resume if he were 6'2 and had a comparative reach.
Woah. Time out. What? How tall do you have to be? Where is the cut off point? Lots of fighters are very tall. I think this is another thread.
Look at how good Paul "Scrap Iron" Ryan from the UK could have been if he had any sort of punch resistance and chin. There are dozens of good fighters who never made it to the top because they could not hold a shot. We would have had some monsters if they were as durable as Eubank, Collins etc.
All fighters have innate advantages. Being fast, powerful, tall, strong etc ect. It sounded like you were saying "Well, Lewis just over came that because he was tall... so it is a bit iffy. Not sure it counts". You can say "the only reason Tyson won so many fights was because he was fast and powerful. He overcame his tendency to get battered senseless only because of his innate advantages. Not just his wok". If you use height as an example, how tall are you taking? 6'2. 6'4. 6'7.5. What if a fighter is very good at using his height. Is it only 6.2.56666? What if he is really tall but only uses his height a bit. Does he need to be 6'8 before that counts as height overcoming a bad chin?. And so on.
Agree with your point. Amir Khan is another one. He has one of the worst chins of all time according to ESB. Yet he's only lost once in 20 odd pro fights when it gets down to it. And he's a world champion! Thomas Hearns- that 'chin' gets referred to the whole time. But he's in your top 30/40 all time great list........ right?
There are loads of thing boxing fans think and say that don't get mentioned by other sports fans. The main annoying two are: The obsession with prime. And only boxing fans think the participants in their sport were better 40 years ago than the ones now.